Most Overrated Fighters of All-Time

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

What the **** are you talking about? Diego Corrales overrated? Check your head .

Ian,

I did not say that. You need to read the context. I was responding to a post.

Have you been to college?

[ianwigley]

Ian,

I did not say that. You need to read the context. I was responding to a post.

Have you been to college?

Three times.

I have a BA an MA and a teaching certificate.

Why.

[ianwigley]

There is a popular misconception. Soem less-than-knowledgeable fans bestow "greatness" upon somebody just because they fought alot of guys. Fighting guys doesn't make you great. BEATING guys makes you great.

Jesse James Leija has fought top competition. Is he great?

That's just ****.

If you fight the best fighters (Gatti did, as did Mayweather, Ward, Castillo, Corrales, Chavez, Ali, Foreman, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Barrera, Morales, Pacman, and the rest) it probably means you were damn good.

If you fought ****ty old washed up fighters in toilets in Doncaster then chances are you ain't that good.

As for the less-than-knowledgeable bit. That I ain't.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Please learn the sport.

That's just ****.

If you fight the best fighters (Gatti did, as did Mayweather, Ward, Castillo, Corrales, Chavez, Ali, Foreman, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Barrera, Morales, Pacman, and the rest) it probably means you were damn good.

If you fought ****ty old washed up fighters in toilets in Doncaster then chances are you ain't that good.

As for the less-than-knowledgeable bit. That I ain't.

If you are desperately clutching to that flawed position, then you are not knowledgeable about the sport.

Better fighter: Leija or Hatton?

The practice of matchmaking is to "test" your fighter against certain guys as they come up. Bruce Trampler would use the same guys over and over. So that gatekeeper would end up with a bunch of terrific names on his resume - even though he lost to all of them. For example, Cosme Rivera is one of those guys. You are wrong because MOST gatekeepers are solid-to-good, but not great.

DeMarcus Corley is a longtime gatekeeper for the 140 division. He fought Judah, Cotto, Witter and Mayweather. That is better competition than Ricky Hatton has. Is Corley better than Ricky?

Carlos Maussa fought

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Here's who Jesse james Leija fought:

Azumah Nelson (multiple times) , Oscar Delahoya, Shane Mosley, Juan Lazcano, Kostya Tszyu, Micky Ward, Panchito Bojado, Machito Camacho, Arturo Gatti, Ivan Robinson and Gabe Ruelas.

Howz that competition?

[ianwigley]

If you are desperately clutching to that flawed position, then you are not knowledgeable about the sport.

Better fighter: Leija or Hatton?

The practice of matchmaking is to "test" your fighter against certain guys as they come up. Bruce Trampler would use the same guys over and over. So that gatekeeper would end up with a bunch of terrific names on his resume - even though he lost to all of them. For example, Cosme Rivera is one of those guys. You are wrong because MOST gatekeepers are solid-to-good, but not great.

DeMarcus Corley is a longtime gatekeeper for the 140 division. He fought Judah, Cotto, Witter and Mayweather. That is better competition than Ricky Hatton has. Is Corley better than Ricky?

Carlos Maussa fought

What the **** are you on about, dude?

Pretty much most of what you just wrote doesn't make sense even in German.

I get your point about Corley, but let's talk realistically. Initial argument was DLH was overrated, that's basically just a whole load of horse****, and anyone who knows anything about boxing will say the same.

[ianwigley]

Here's who Jesse james Leija fought:

Azumah Nelson (multiple times) , Oscar Delahoya, Shane Mosley, Juan Lazcano, Kostya Tszyu, Micky Ward, Panchito Bojado, Machito Camacho, Arturo Gatti, Ivan Robinson and Gabe Ruelas.

Howz that competition?

But JJ was just a journeyman...never a contender.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

A Fair Review Of Oscar's Resume.

But JJ was just a journeyman...never a contender.

You ****ing said that if you fought the best fighters, then you must have been "damn good". I disputed that and gave you examples to support my assertion. My point remains that merely FIGHTING the best doesn't validate your greatness. BEATING the best does that. You were wrong; now get over it.

Oscar Delahoya has been competitive in - but lost - all of his top fights. Oscar's BEST win was Ike Quartey. Oscar's record in big fights against his toughest comp is poor. He has five losses, and has failed to dominate an elite opponent. He has lost to MW's (hop & sturm) and he has lost to LW's (shane & pbf).

Quartey - good win...some dispute it.
Pernell - disputed win
Shane 1 - clear loss
Shane 2 - disputed/close loss
Hopkins - knocked out
Trinidad - disputed/close loss
Mayweather - clear loss
Sturm - disputed win

Note: I only put in Sturm b/c that was his middleweight debut.

Further, here are guys who WOULD beat Oscar: Winky Wright, Vernon Forrest, Kassim Ouma. And Cory Spinks would have a very good chance.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

What the **** are you on about, dude?

Pretty much most of what you just wrote doesn't make sense even in German.

I get your point about Corley, but let's talk realistically. Initial argument was DLH was overrated, that's basically just a whole load of horse****, and anyone who knows anything about boxing will say the same.

You were wrong. And I proved it. Build a ****ing bridge and get over it.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Three times.

I have a BA an MA and a teaching certificate.

Why.

Because you are replying to random posts w/o understanding the context. I was not saying that Diego Corrales was ****ty. I was challenging somebody else's assertion that he was.

You would tell your students to get the whole story. Soooo, get...