"sugar" Shane Mosley talks about Cotto, Mayweather...and Rampage.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

thats not true, the first winky wright fight was after that, they made a comparison of his body between de de la hoya and wright fights and he looked exactly the same...if anything even more bulked up for the wright fight....even larry merchant says so...

two questions:

1) Does Barry Bonds look any smaller to you?

2) WHAT BALCO PRODUCTS WAS SHANE TAKING?

"Even" Larry Merchant? Really? Who is "they"?

[-Hyperion-]

two questions:

1) Does Barry Bonds look any smaller to you?

2) WHAT BALCO PRODUCTS WAS SHANE TAKING?

"Even" Larry Merchant? Really? Who is "they"?

the HBO guys....i was just questioning your statement about shane immediatly going down in weight after the balco incident, it obviously wasnt the case given the fact that he had a fight with wright after that, in which he looked ripped as **** and very big....

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Come on now Dios. He's been cleared of that Balco bull****. He even took a lie detector to clear his name up that he passed.

Knicks, here is an objective article from that time period:

The Demise of “Sugar” Shane Mosley

14.04.04 – By Lee Hayes - Shane Mosley had a phenomenal amateur boxing career, one of the most successful in American boxing history. He had the pedigree for greatness. He even appeared to deserve the almost impossible, nearly blasphemous, moniker of “Sugar”. His hands were a blur of speed. He worked the body with consistency. He obliterated his opposition in the spectacular fashion that a true champion is supposed to, with a contemptuousness that defies what all the rest of us regular mortals consider possible. He was near perfect and he managed to surpass a prime Felix Trinidad, Oscar De la Hoya, Roy Jones Jr. and Evander Holyfield on most experts top pound for pound lists.

How so many things have changed in a short period of time. How the mighty have fallen. Make no mistake, Mosley is valiant, and this writer has been a career fan of “Sugar” Shane. But it is no oversight that he is no longer referred to as “Sugar”. It is now just “Shane Mosley”. Perhaps it is better left that way, until he is able to climb back to the top of the boxing elite. Twice now Shane has found himself at the pinnacle of boxing elite, having defeated its favorite son, Oscar De la Hoya. Twice Mosely has blown the opportunity it represented to transcend the sport he has dedicated his life to.

By all accounts of those close to Mosley, he is a class act, a decent man of high moral character. His attitude and charm are almost naïve in their unadulterated honesty, despite being led by an obsessively overbearing trainer/father in Jack Mosley. Anybody close to the Mosley camp could tell you that his father ran the show, and was possibly the worst case of a trainer living vicariously through his protégé’s successes. Jack practically took credit for every victory his son achieved, every success his son toiled to mount. He also equally abandoned Shane in his losses. Blaming them on Shane’s inability to follow the game plan he had set out.

The BALCO controversy that has questioned Shane’s involvement in steroid and steroid derivative usage looms in the background near the twilight of the sweet one’s career. It brings some logical questions to mind. Did Shane Mosley take performance enhancing drugs? And if so, did he know he was taking them in the “supplements” that BALCO provided for him? Mosely has been rather cryptic in his answers regarding the allegations. He has openly stated that he has never taken steroids and uses his lack of positive drug test results as evidence. Yet the drug that Mosley has been accused of being linked to, THG, has never been tested for and to this writer’s knowledge is still not being tested for. So then, the questions remain unanswered. Barring a full confession from Mosely, we may never know the truth.

Here are some facts regarding Shane’s physiological progression, or in this case regression. Shane has risen from lightweight (135lbs) to a 154 lbs junior middleweight without gaining any noticeable body fat. It’s not impossible to do naturally, as Shane obviously has good genetics, but it’s is very unlikely. Look at the body of Oscar De la Hoya who is Shane’s main contemporary and who has also moved up from the ranks of lightweight. Oscar looks to be in shape; however there is a definite difference in his body make up that shows a natural progression to junior welterweight and now to middleweight. Julio Ceasar Chavez can also be sited as an example of what a fighters body typically looks like when the move up in multiple weight classes. Also, Shane used to be a weight lifter before he joined the professional ranks. It’s been sited that he is able to bench press more than a prime Joe Frazier could. Impressive stuff indeed, for a guy that was 130 lbs at the time. No doubt when Shane took weight lifting seriously, by his own admission, he encountered the offer of performance enhancing drugs. As anyone that has frequented a gym knows, these substances are quite available to just about anybody. It seems odd to me that Shane Mosley and father, Jack, obviously had a relationship with the BALCO Corporation, when there are several other, higher praised, supplement companies out there that have just as good, and in many cases better, reputations for quality. Shane plugged their products and visited their main headquarters on no less than one occasion.

Sure, it’s difficult to swallow that one of our heroes, especially one as clean cut and wholesome as Shane, could be involved in any sort of a scam that involves cheating but there is plenty of precedence for this behavior. Tommy Hearns once accused nemesis Sugar Ray Leonard of using steroids to bulk up to the super middleweight division. No doubt, Leonard was even more clean-cut than Shane; Ray was the all- American. Roy Jones jr. tested positive for the steroid Nanandrolone after his bout with Richard Hall, who also tested positive for an anabolic. There have been several other prominent boxers to fail steroid tests after bouts, notably Fernando Vargas and Francois Botha.

Perhaps if Shane did, in fact, use some sort of a performance enhancer, we should be more forgiving. This writer might suggest that we boxing fans are partially to blame. In today’s pugilistic world, we demand so much of our fighers that we may be the ones who have brought on the increasingly disturbing positive drug tests. Now, if a young fighter wants to be deemed legitimate, he must maintain his undefeated record. The boxing public is unforgiving, even when it concerns a single loss. Perhaps the amount of pressure that Shane felt was so immense that it turned this once wholesome, friendly guy, to a chemical lab, in order to maintain that perfect “O” on his record. The results may have backfired on Mosley. By some accounts, he first became involved with the BALCO lab before his first bout with Vernon Forrest, Mosley’s first loss. In that fight, we the fans saw a different Shane Mosley than we had become accustomed to. The rapid fire combinations were all gone, the stamina seemingly zapped from his Adonis-like body. His once famous foot work was depleted to a stand still slugging. We were left with a man that appeared to only know how to throw one punch at a time. Another loss to Vernon Forrest showed none of the adjustments that a young Sugar Shane used to be able to make. Shane, reduced to throwing one punch at a time, as if it was all he was capable of doing, was going for the one-bomb knock out. He was a shell of his former self. Perhaps we over looked the continuation of Shane’s demise during the De la Hoya bout. After all, Mosley was victorious, even though it seemed to most ring side observers, that Oscar deserved the nod. Shane did not show a lot of foot work and clearly was throwing one shot at a time.

The judges happened to side with Mosley’s new found style but it didn’t last for long. Finally, Ronald “Winky” Wright, a slick southpaw with under-rated body strength, was able to show us exactly how badly our Sweet one had dropped off the charts. Mosley looked absolutely horrendous in that fight. Afterwards Shane said that he “just didn’t feel right”. That his body was “unable to do the things I had done in sparring”. He felt as though his body had abandoned him, and left the genius mind, to only wonder what could have been. There may be hope for Shane yet, as he pulls himself away from his overbearing father and looks for new light with trainer Dan Goosen. Mosley has been close with Goosen since he was a kid, so there will be no time wasted developing a trust and bond that a fighter usually needs when changing management.

After his loss to Wright, and subsequent change of trainer, Shane seems as optimistic as ever. Regarding the persistent steroid allegations, Shane has only said this, “Yeah, the steroids, my new management and I are going to make some adjustments and fix the problem.” That is not a denial that he ever used performance enhancers such as THG. It may be an indicator that he is no longer looking for the quick fix, however. And that may be good enough to resurrect his fading career. One thing is for sure, Shane has always given us everything he had in the ring, and if he is guilty of pushing himself to hard, to the point where he may have made some mistakes, this writer is willing to forgive him and hope that he is either able to get his career back on track, or simply walk off into the sunset. A story book ending, much like another famous Shane we all know.

[-Hyperion-]

Knicks, here is an objective article from that time period:

The Demise of “Sugar” Shane Mosley

14.04.04 – By Lee Hayes - Shane Mosley had a phenomenal amateur boxing career, one of the most successful in American boxing history. He had the pedigree for greatness. He even appeared to deserve the almost impossible, nearly blasphemous, moniker of “Sugar”. His hands were a blur of speed. He worked the body with consistency. He obliterated his opposition in the spectacular fashion that a true champion is supposed to, with a contemptuousness that defies what all the rest of us regular mortals consider possible. He was near perfect and he managed to surpass a prime Felix Trinidad, Oscar De la Hoya, Roy Jones Jr. and Evander Holyfield on most experts top pound for pound lists.

How so many things have changed in a short period of time. How the mighty have fallen. Make no mistake, Mosley is valiant, and this writer has been a career fan of “Sugar” Shane. But it is no oversight that he is no longer referred to as “Sugar”. It is now just “Shane Mosley”. Perhaps it is better left that way, until he is able to climb back to the top of the boxing elite. Twice now Shane has found himself at the pinnacle of boxing elite, having defeated its favorite son, Oscar De la Hoya. Twice Mosely has blown the opportunity it represented to transcend the sport he has dedicated his life to.

By all accounts of those close to Mosley, he is a class act, a decent man of high moral character. His attitude and charm are almost naïve in their unadulterated honesty, despite being led by an obsessively overbearing trainer/father in Jack Mosley. Anybody close to the Mosley camp could tell you that his father ran the show, and was possibly the worst case of a trainer living vicariously through his protégé’s successes. Jack practically took credit for every victory his son achieved, every success his son toiled to mount. He also equally abandoned Shane in his losses. Blaming them on Shane’s inability to follow the game plan he had set out.

The BALCO controversy that has questioned Shane’s involvement in steroid and steroid derivative usage looms in the background near the twilight of the sweet one’s career. It brings some logical questions to mind. Did Shane Mosley take performance enhancing drugs? And if so, did he know he was taking them in the “supplements” that BALCO provided for him? Mosely has been rather cryptic in his answers regarding the allegations. He has openly stated that he has never taken steroids and uses his lack of positive drug test results as evidence. Yet the drug that Mosley has been accused of being linked to, THG, has never been tested for and to this writer’s knowledge is still not being tested for. So then, the questions remain unanswered. Barring a full confession from Mosely, we may never know the truth.

Here are some facts regarding Shane’s physiological progression, or in this case regression. Shane has risen from lightweight (135lbs) to a 154 lbs junior middleweight without gaining any noticeable body fat. It’s not impossible to do naturally, as Shane obviously has good genetics, but it’s is very unlikely. Look at the body of Oscar De la Hoya who is Shane’s main contemporary and who has also moved up from the ranks of lightweight. Oscar looks to be in shape; however there is a definite difference in his body make up that shows a natural progression to junior welterweight and now to middleweight. Julio Ceasar Chavez can also be sited as an example of what a fighters body typically looks like when the move up in multiple weight classes. Also, Shane used to be a weight lifter before he joined the professional ranks. It’s been sited that he is able to bench press more than a prime Joe Frazier could. Impressive stuff indeed, for a guy that was 130 lbs at the time. No doubt when Shane took weight lifting seriously, by his own admission, he encountered the offer of performance enhancing drugs. As anyone that has frequented a gym knows, these substances are quite available to just about anybody. It seems odd to me that Shane Mosley and father, Jack, obviously had a relationship with the BALCO Corporation, when there are several other, higher praised, supplement companies out there that have just as good, and in many cases better, reputations for quality. Shane plugged their products and visited their main headquarters on no less than one occasion.

Sure, it’s difficult to swallow that one of our heroes, especially one as clean cut and wholesome as Shane, could be involved in any sort of a scam that involves cheating but there is plenty of precedence for this behavior. Tommy Hearns once accused nemesis Sugar Ray Leonard of using steroids to bulk up to the super middleweight division. No doubt, Leonard was even more clean-cut than Shane; Ray was the all- American. Roy Jones jr. tested positive for the steroid Nanandrolone after his bout with Richard Hall, who also tested positive for an anabolic. There have been several other prominent boxers to fail steroid tests after bouts, notably Fernando Vargas and Francois Botha.

Perhaps if Shane did, in fact, use some sort of a performance enhancer, we should be more forgiving. This writer might suggest that we boxing fans are partially to blame. In today’s pugilistic world, we demand so much of our fighers that we may be the ones who have brought on the increasingly disturbing positive drug tests. Now, if a young fighter wants to be deemed legitimate, he must maintain his undefeated record. The boxing public is unforgiving, even when it concerns a single loss. Perhaps the amount of pressure that Shane felt was so immense that it turned this once wholesome, friendly guy, to a chemical lab, in order to maintain that perfect “O” on his record. The results may have backfired on Mosley. By some accounts, he first became involved with the BALCO lab before his first bout with Vernon Forrest, Mosley’s first loss. In that fight, we the fans saw a different Shane Mosley than we had become accustomed to. The rapid fire combinations were all gone, the stamina seemingly zapped from his Adonis-like body. His once famous foot work was depleted to a stand still slugging. We were left with a man that appeared to only know how to throw one punch at a time. Another loss to Vernon Forrest showed none of the adjustments that a young Sugar Shane used to be able to make. Shane, reduced to throwing one punch at a time, as if it was all he was capable of doing, was going for the one-bomb knock out. He was a shell of his former self. Perhaps we over looked the continuation of Shane’s demise during the De la Hoya bout. After all, Mosley was victorious, even though it seemed to most ring side observers, that Oscar deserved the nod. Shane did not show a lot of foot work and clearly was throwing one shot at a time.

The judges happened to side with Mosley’s new found style but it didn’t last for long. Finally, Ronald “Winky” Wright, a slick southpaw with under-rated body strength, was able to show us exactly how badly our Sweet one had dropped off the charts. Mosley looked absolutely horrendous in that fight. Afterwards Shane said that he “just didn’t feel right”. That his body was “unable to do the things I had done in sparring”. He felt as though his body had abandoned him, and left the genius mind, to only wonder what could have been. There may be hope for Shane yet, as he pulls himself away from his overbearing father and looks for new light with trainer Dan Goosen. Mosley has been close with Goosen since he was a kid, so there will be no time wasted developing a trust and bond that a fighter usually needs when changing management.

After his loss to Wright, and subsequent change of trainer, Shane seems as optimistic as ever. Regarding the persistent steroid allegations, Shane has only said this, “Yeah, the steroids, my new management and I are going to make some adjustments and fix the problem.” That is not a denial that he ever used performance enhancers such as THG. It may be an indicator that he is no longer looking for the quick fix, however. And that may be good enough to resurrect his fading career. One thing is for sure, Shane has always given us everything he had in the ring, and if he is guilty of pushing himself to hard, to the point where he may have made some mistakes, this writer is willing to forgive him and hope that he is either able to get his career back on track, or simply walk off into the sunset. A story book ending, much like another famous Shane we all know.

articel loses all credibility when the y list roy jones tested positive for nanandronol, when it was the much less graver andro......

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Who were Balco's clients?

Come on now Dios. He's been cleared of that Balco bull****. He even took a lie detector to clear his name up that he passed.

Here's ANOTHER objective article:

Hanging from the BALCO-ny

Drug sting puts superstars' reputations at risk, but who really cares?

Yankees slugger Jason Giambi's name has been mentioned in connection with the BALCO probe.

On Thursday in Washington, indictments were handed down against four men charged with the distribution of steroids and other performance-enhancing substances, possibly to some of the most prominent athletes in the world. Among those indicted were Barry Bonds' personal trainer, as well as the track sprint coach who oversaw some of the most dramatic improvements in his sport over the past two years and 53-year-old Victor Conte, the man who founded BALCO, the company that allegedly provided the drugs.

The announcement leads to an important question: Does anybody care?

Let's review what is at stake in these indictments. If Conte and Greg Anderson, Bonds' personal trainer (who also worked with Jason Giambi, among others), provided steroids, such as the newly discovered THG, to Bonds, then Bonds' single-season home run record of 73, established in 2001, is certifiably a sham and the modern longball era a product of better baseball through chemistry.

If Remi Korchemny, 71, a track coach born in the Ukraine who once trained 1972 Olympic champion Valery Borzov, and who has recently become responsible for stunning improvements made by American women Kelli White and Chryste Gaines and Briton Dwain Chambers, was feeding steroids to his sprinters, the curtain has been thrown back on the long-suspect world of elite level sprinting.

If four members of the Oakland Raiders who tested positive for THG last fall, including robo-linebacker Bill Romanowski, were given their drugs by BALCO, the Sunday ritual of the NFL, with it's cartoon violence and religious fan fervor, is little more than a lab experiment gone wild.

The question again: Does anybody care?

In most major news outlets, word of the BALCO indictments was given prominent coverage but hardly the screaming headlines customarily associated with sweeping scandal and conspiracy. The NBA All-Star game will be played Sunday. The NASCAR season is getting under way. Pitchers and catchers will soon report to Spring Training. March Madness is scarcely a month away. The cycle spins on. There is little time for a doping controversy.

Six years ago, when Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa engaged in their home run battle across America during the long summer, there were whispers that McGwire was using performance-enhancing substances. The rumors were given life when a bottle of androstenedione was spotted by a reporter in McGwire's locker. Andro since has been banned. But it didn't matter to a public swept up in the drama.

Steroids don't make people hit a baseball any better, or so went the rationalization. Steroids are for bodybuilders and shotputters, not hitters. In fact, steroids allow people to train harder than ever, to get stronger while avoiding injuries. Steroids can make a good hitter great. Is this what happened with McGwire and Bonds? Do baseball fans really want to know, or do they just want to see if the Red Sox can make it to the World Series?

Sprinters Marion Jones and her boyfriend, Tim Montgomery (world record holder in the 100 meters) testified in the BALCO inquiry. So did boxer Shane Mosley. They were BALCO clients, in some form. Does this taint their performances? Or are Olympic track and field and professional boxing simply too far beneath the radar screen for the public to notice?

The reality is that Thursday's indictments are a test of the sports fan's conscience. There always have been rumors about the use of performance-enhancers. McGwire. Bonds. Lance Armstrong. Most of the NFL. Distance runners who shattered world records by huge margins in the mid- and late-'90s. But those were just rumors, with an occasional positive test that usually was litigated into submission.

The BALCO case is real. Attorney general John Ashcroft has indicated there will be more indictments and that athletes could be among those charged. Will the public be outraged to hear that Sunday's heroes (or Saturday's, or Thursday's) have achieved their greatness not just through good genetics and hard work, but also from test tubes? Or will the public shrug off such news? As in: What's the difference between THG and Vitamin C? What is the difference between the juice in a slugger's biceps and the silicone in a starlet's bosom? Both are entertainers. Gimme the remote and pass the nachos.

We live in a cynical and permissive world. I believe the sports-supporting public, in large part, would like to hear nothing of the reality of drug use. It is more enjoyable to watch without knowing. Controversy is for the real world, not sports. I believe the BALCO case will drag down the principles and perhaps a few athletes. I fear that once the dust settles, business as usual will resume, with new stars, new medicine men and new drugs.

I fear that nobody really cares.


Sports Illustrated senior writer Tim Layden weighs in with a Viewpoint every Friday on SI.com.

Dios addition :

Mark McGwire: Took "the fifth"...do you think he did steroids?
Barry Bonds: Said he took "flaxseed oil"....do you think he did steroids?
Kelli White: confessed to steroids use, accepted suspension.
Tim Montomery: confessed to steroids use, accepted suspension.
Bill Romanowski: confessed to steroids use, retired.
Jason Giambi: confessed to steroids use, no punishment.
Jeremy Giambi: confessed to steroids use, retired
Marion Jones: denied steroids use, has never run fast again.
Sammy Sosa, denied steroids use, took time off
Johnnie Morton: tested positive after his recent MMA fight.
Regina Jacobs: admitted steroids use, accepted suspension and retired.
Shane Mosley: Is absolutely, positively clean.....right?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/steroids/

[Smokin']

yeah he as obviously juicing. you can tell by his physique if anything. Same with Tyson.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

the HBO guys....i was just questioning your statement about shane immediatly going down in weight after the balco incident, it obviously wasnt the case given the fact that he had a fight with wright after that, in which he looked ripped as **** and very big....

Steroids don't leave your body the day you do it. You cycle on/off steroids.

Did Barry Bonds take steroids?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

article loses all credibility when the y list roy jones tested positive for nanandronol, when it was the much less graver andro......

OK. Fine.

I just posted TWO more articles. One from Sport Illustrated. One from CBS News.

Everybody is lying EXCEPT Shane...right? Every news agency wants to make up these stories about Shane.

Right?

[Gato2012]

I feel bad for Mosley, I like him. Its a shame Cotto is going to have to beat that ass.

[Smokin']

Thats CBC Boozo.