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  • Hitman932
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    #11
    Originally posted by DWiens421
    Stuck in neutral? Since 2005 he has beaten Edouard, Hopkins, Hopkins, Ouma, Spinks and got a draw with Wright. A who's who of that division. I'd hate to see what you would require to have someone's career be in momentum?

    Pavlik, on the other hand, has wins against 2 people with names in the sport. Bronco McKart, a good fighter who has never been able to beat the best, and Edison Miranda, an upstart, good fighter, who's defense was seriously exposed against Pavlik.

    I think that between the two fighters, the media thinks Pavlik's career is going better, but personally, Jermain has to believe that his career is going better than Kelly's.

    fact of the matter is that taylor has not convincingly beaten anyone since eduard meanwhile pavlik has been steamrolling durable fighters with highlight reel knockouts

    taylors record is nice on paper but hes yet to win a truly memorable or defining fight in a decisive manner, i think he feels a lot of pressure to knock pavlik out and quiet the critics. meanwhile i think pavlik is feeling like hes got nothing to lose and ready to do whatever it takes.

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    • Fox McCloud
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      #12
      Originally posted by Hitman932
      fact of the matter is that taylor has not convincingly beaten anyone since eduard meanwhile pavlik has been steamrolling durable fighters with highlight reel knockouts

      taylors record is nice on paper but hes yet to win a truly memorable or defining fight in a decisive manner, i think he feels a lot of pressure to knock pavlik out and quiet the critics. meanwhile i think pavlik is feeling like hes got nothing to lose and ready to do whatever it takes.
      Does quality of opposition not excuse Taylor for not bringing about a thorough destruction of all his A grade opponents. I already asked why even though no one has ever decisively beaten either Hopkins or Winky, so why should Taylor be required to do so? He got a wide decision from 2 judges against Ouma, and a 7-5 edge on the third scorecard. Spinks ran all night, and there is no way anyone can look good when their opponent's first priority is not to be hit, so much so that they sacrifice their offense in order to do so.

      Is it not testament to how good Taylor is that he won as many rounds as he did against Hopkins (twice) and Wright?

      It just doesn't seem right to me that Winky gets more credit for hanging with Hopkins than Taylor gets for beating him. Shane Mosley gets more credit for his two losses to Winky Wright than Taylor does for his draw against him. Everyone really does seem to be looking for a way to discount the accomplishments of Jermain Taylor, because he doesn't crush the competition. I'm glad he will be fighting someone like Pavlik, because he is an opponent who is not already in the top 5 P4P (Hopkins & Wright) or a runner (Spinks), because he is going to be able to showcase what brought him to where he is today in this fight I think.

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      • shawn_
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        #13
        Pavlik is not called The Ghost because he is pale...

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          #14
          Originally posted by DWiens421
          I think he will. I think a lot of people have written Taylor off, but there is a reason that he is undefeated against great competition. He also has a small psychological advantage because he beat Pavlik in the Olympic trails in the amateurs. Not a huge factor, but it could be in Kelly's head at least a little bit.
          This fight could go either way, but i would not be surprised to see Pavlik win, and I hope he does so we can see more exciting fights at middleweight. Taylor is overrated. He has disputed wins over Hopkins, he was pushed to the limit by Wright which had he fought in the 12th round he would have won a clear decision, and he has not looked good against any of the smaller competition that couldn't punch. He has not looked impressive in about his last 3 to 4 fights, that is no coincidence. he didn't have a choice but to take on Pavlik because the heat was on and had he passed on him he would have taken major criticism. Pavlik can punch, has good technique and can box. I would not be surprised to see him win this fight.

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            #15
            Originally posted by DWiens421
            I think he will. I think a lot of people have written Taylor off, but there is a reason that he is undefeated against great competition. He also has a small psychological advantage because he beat Pavlik in the Olympic trails in the amateurs. Not a huge factor, but it could be in Kelly's head at least a little bit.
            Oh and what happened in the trials will have no effect on his nmind sate in this fight. I think he is confident and think he feels he can beat Taylor. That won't be a factor at all.

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              #16
              Originally posted by jai mari078
              Oh and what happened in the trials will have no effect on his nmind sate in this fight. I think he is confident and think he feels he can beat Taylor. That won't be a factor at all.
              Everyone says they are confident, but you don't think he has thought about the trials fight, even once? Come on man. I also said that it's not going to be that big of a deal.

              From the post before: You never answered the question of why Taylor has to beat Hopkins and Wright convincingly to be good. No one else has ever done it.

              Keep in mind that he won more rounds against those two than pretty much everyone. It probably takes someone pretty good to do that.

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                #17
                Originally posted by bdevils
                I'm a fan of both but Taylor needs to step it up big for this fight in order to win because Pavlik hits hard and won't wait on Taylor and if Taylor backs himself against the corner or ropes it could be lights out.
                Absolutely right!!! Good post. taylor hesitates, your right pavlik won't wait on him. He will come straight at him the whole fight. I think Pavlik like many of us feel that taylor has not wanted to fight a puncher for a reason and pavlik will test that not to mention Taylor is very flawed and doesn't follow his corners direction. Emmanuel Stewart get's frustrated with him in the corner. I definately feel Pavlik can win this fight and hope he does so we can start seeing exciting fights at middleweight.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by DWiens421
                  Everyone says they are confident, but you don't think he has thought about the trials fight, even once? Come on man. I also said that it's not going to be that big of a deal.

                  From the post before: You never answered the question of why Taylor has to beat Hopkins and Wright convincingly to be good. No one else has ever done it.

                  Keep in mind that he won more rounds against those two than pretty much everyone. It probably takes someone pretty good to do that.
                  It wasn't just the Hopkins and Wright fight. He looked terrible against Ouma and Spinks as well. He was being backed up by the much smaller Ouma. Are you ****ing kidding me. If he lets Pavlik back him up and let him put him on the ropes like Ouma and Wright were able to, he is gonna be in trouble. Pavlik actually can punch and thats somethinghe hasn't faced. Of everyone he has fought in the last 5 fights, none of them are known as guys that have good power, Hopkins,Wright,Ouma,or Spinks. Two guys he had no business fighting.(Ouma and Spinks) There both blown up jr. middleweight and neither one of them can punch. Especially Spinks he didn't have any pop at welterweight. he should have to do more to take the title from Hopkins. If you have had 20 straight defenses as the middleweight champ, i think you deserve the benefit of the doubt in at least the first fight. Taylor didn't convincingly win, and i don't feel he did enough to get that decision.

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                  • Fox McCloud
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                    #19
                    I thought he convincingly won the first fight, because I didn't see Hopkins show up until the 9th round. That's my opinion.

                    Anyways, is backing up under pressure always a bad thing? I contend no, because that is the way a counterpuncher fights. Who says that his strategy against Ouma wasn't to counterpunch? I don't know, because I haven't seen the fight, but in general, backing up is the first part of counterpunching.

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                    • Tabatha
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by shawn_
                      Pavlik is not called The Ghost because he is pale...
                      didnt know that. is he scary or something?

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