theres no complete fighters anymore

[-Hyperion-]

Barrera and JM Marquez are complete fighters with out a doubt. Their skills have diminished, but they can still do it all. I'd throw Rafael Marquez in there too, but his defense still leaves him in trouble. Offensively he's the best fighter in the sport. I'll throw Soto's name out there too...

Rafale and JMM are, but im not sure about Barrera, look at how many punches he connects when he boxes, he hits almost only air....i think the one time he has really looked very good boxing was vs Hamed.......

[The Noose]

why not mayweather undefeated why not think of him as greatest all time??
he is yet to be beaten..

This is whats wrong with certain fight fans.
The idea that if ur unbeaten, ur the greatest is bull****. Is Marciano better than Robinson, Ali, Pep, etc??? **** no.

Every young fighter with a 10 - 0 record is the goat??

To be the best u have to beat the best. U have to come back from defeat to prove ur heart, u have to show u can adapt with age.

Im not saying PBF isnt great, but him being undeafetd doesnt make him the greatest.

that can do everything punch box use legs and defend all a the same time..


only one is
mosely really..


maybe toney when he was young and could fight on his toes..

wheres the next duran or ray robinson thay could beat any style you threw at them


holyfield bad shoulder
jones is a unorthodox fighter lacks defense

forrest is hurt becuase of bad technique with his left


duran is gone
ray robinson is long gone..

fighter dont seem as well trained .. everbody is trying to be like cotto tyson roy jones or mayweather.. there all great fighter but there not the greaetest

The title of this thread irritates me. Duran wasnt complete, Henry Armstrong wasnt complete, even Robinson didnt have a truly great defence. He was tough as ****, and relied on his feet and offense. He got hit plenty.
Roy Jones hardly got touched in his prime.
Ricardo Lopez almost had it all.
Mayweather at lighter weights comes close to complete.

Marvin Hagler and Leonard were different but could do it all.

There are no real complete fighters. Pep had a amazing defence. Robinson an amazing arsenal of punches. Ali had brilliant hand and foot speed.

All the great fighters are different.

[OptimusWolf]

here here mitch-a-pazuzu, every fighter is different, but broadly I can see the OP's point. Around the welter and middleweights there are many quite specialised fighters at the moment.

HW #1 - questionable chin and stamina
CW #1 - questionable stamina and chin
LHW#1 - low punch output, unappealing style
SMW#1 - defence not important, power not there anymore
MW#1 - erm, could be complete but fights anything but
LMW#1 - is there one??
WW#1 - relies on defence and speed, lacks power
LWW#1 - gets hit too much, uses spoiling tactics

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Mayweather at Welterweight is that.


And FOrrest is a complete fighter now as well. Hes healed.

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Mayweather, Forrest, Barrera, Guzman, Casamayor, Hopkins, etc...

There are still some out there.

[Poet682006]

Are we equating complete fighters with perfect fighters? If so it's a fools venture because there has yet to be a perfect human being to walk the Earth. Now if you are distinguising between perfect and complete I believe there has been a number of complete fighters though the years: Fighters I refer to as having the "total package". This doesn't mean they don't have flaws: All fighters have flaws. Some are minor some are major but all fighters have them.

Some current fighters who seem to be complete are Joe Calzaghe, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Bernard Hopkins.

Some old-timers: Joe Louis, Joe Walcott, Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Larry Holmes, Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns, and Lennox Lewis.

This doesn't mean that these fighters don't have flaws: They do, some more than others. It also doesn't mean that a fighter who was less "complete" wasn't better than they were. A fighter may be able to do a lot less in the ring then others but what they DID do they were so good at it made them better fighters than others who were more complete (see Roy Jones).

Poet

[The Noose]

here here mitch-a-pazuzu, every fighter is different, but broadly I can see the OP's point. Around the welter and middleweights there are many quite specialised fighters at the moment.

HW #1 - questionable chin and stamina
CW #1 - questionable stamina and chin
LHW#1 - low punch output, unappealing style
SMW#1 - defence not important, power not there anymore
MW#1 - erm, could be complete but fights anything but
LMW#1 - is there one??
WW#1 - relies on defence and speed, lacks power
LWW#1 - gets hit too much, uses spoiling tactics

lol, mitch?

Ok, heavyweits are just unappealing and ****.

But i dont think u can generalize from division to division. The fighters that were mentioned like Duran and Robinson are all time great fighters, so for anyone to suggest 'there arent fighters like that anymore is ridiculous. Theres a truely great fighter once every 10 years.

Like i said, IMO there are such modern greats such as Jones, Lopez, Whitaker, Barrera, Pac.

And there will be in the future.

[realheavyhands]

lol, mitch?

Ok, heavyweits are just unappealing and ****.

But i dont think u can generalize from division to division. The fighters that were mentioned like Duran and Robinson are all time great fighters, so for anyone to suggest 'there arent fighters like that anymore is ridiculous. Theres a truely great fighter once every 10 years.

Like i said, IMO there are such modern greats such as Jones, Lopez, Whitaker, Barrera, Pac.

And there will be in the future.

robinson and duran were nearly 50 and 20 years ago.. we'll see what happens in mosley cotto

[tito yuca]

lol, mitch?

Ok, heavyweits are just unappealing and ****.

But i dont think u can generalize from division to division.

He was talking about the best fighter in each weight class.

[The Noose]

robinson and duran were nearly 50 and 20 years ago.. we'll see what happens in mosley cotto

There are still great fighters in every era.

He was talking about the best fighter in each weight class.

I still dont agree with the original statement. Great 'complete?' fighters come once every so often.
There was never a period in boxing which produced such a thing as complete fighters, or even well rounded fighters, only good and poor periods.

I think the lighter divisions are gaining much more attention than they used to, and are producing alot of talent.

[Technical_Skill]

that can do everything punch box use legs and defend all a the same time..


only one is
mosely really..

How is mosley a complete fighter? defensively he leaves alot to be desired, back him up with a jab so he cant drift inside and fire those pitter patter shots, and what is his plan b?