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  • Technical_Skill
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    #11
    Originally posted by Primal Instinx
    You can't see Cotto winning because you are thinking about the Mosley that dominated in his earlier years. Mosely is a Shell of the man he used to be at 130lbs. Let's be real for a second and breakdown who Mosley has recently defeated. You will see that Mosely is great with C+ B- fighters but struggles a lot with the elite fighters, and lets be Real Cotto is A+ material:

    (C+ B-) Luis Collazo W - A good fighter but not elite

    (Recently C+) Fernando Vargas (2) W - A complete shot fighter

    (C- ) Jose Luis Cruz W - He lost to Sharmba Mitchell recently and Shane could not take him out...Get Real

    (C+) David Estrada W - Spring board and Shane went the distance as well

    Ronald Wright (2) L - Elite fighter who he lost twice to no shame in losing to one of this eras great defensive fighters.

    ODLH W - This fight was definitely won by Oscar even though in the record books it is stated otherwise.

    Raul Marquez No Contest by cuts - The Ref and Doctor would not allow raul to continue but Raul was winning this fight hands down up until it was stopped.

    Vernon Forrest (2) L - Shanes first two defeats and his downward spiral off the p4p lists.

    Need I continue? Shane is no where near the devastating force that he used to be. The Mayweather's are dying for him to defeat Cotto so they can bypass the toughest opponent they would have to face with Cotto. Instead they want an aged Shane Mosely. I think a young Mosely decapitates Cotto but an aged Mosely will fight and fail at the end.
    Cotto with a late stoppage or Unanimous decision this time around.
    Cotto hasnt been in the ring with one single elite fighter, he has been rocked by moderate punchers, and to be honest if judah had more discipline he would have beaten cotto and finished him off when cotto was all over the ropes after getting hit with that left hand.

    How is cotto going to hit moesly? thats what i want to know, because shane is fast and hits harder than anyone cotto has ever faced, he knocked out vargas who is much bigger than cotto, you think cotto will be able to take shane's shots when he had trouble handling ricardo torres.

    Moesly will have to get old overnight to lose this one, stylistically its a bad fight for cotto, mosely is a better boxer, harder hitter, faster and more evasive, even at this stage in his carrer.

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    • Primal Instinx
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      #12
      Originally posted by Technical_Skill
      Cotto hasnt been in the ring with one single elite fighter, he has been rocked by moderate punchers, and to be honest if judah had more discipline he would have beaten cotto and finished him off when cotto was all over the ropes after getting hit with that left hand.

      How is cotto going to hit moesly? thats what i want to know, because shane is fast and hits harder than anyone cotto has ever faced, he knocked out vargas who is much bigger than cotto, you think cotto will be able to take shane's shots when he had trouble handling ricardo torres.

      Moesly will have to get old overnight to lose this one, stylistically its a bad fight for cotto, mosely is a better boxer, harder hitter, faster and more evasive, even at this stage in his carrer.
      1st: Cotto has been in the ring with with some good opposition and has taken them out before even Mayweather has I.E. (Zab Judah, Demarcus Corley, Victoriano Sosa) Don't dismiss the guys accomplishments because he made them look amateurish.

      2nd: Everyone says Zab would have beaten him if he would have been throwing punches or in your statement discipline...the problem is you have to have an opening to throw a punch and when you have a beast infront of you pummling you all you can do is take a knee ala Zab.

      3rd: Cotto is underated when it comes to speed and believe me he will catch Shane...it's not like Shane is Pernell Whitaker or Winky.

      4th: Vargas? That man hasn't been the same since his fight with Felix Trinidad. Before that fight he was never on the canvas and he tasted it 5 times with Tito. He fought Wilfredo Rivera and got knocked down face first in the fourth round...let me let you in a secret Rivera is not known for his power...If Shane didn't knock out Vargas I would be highly disappointed.

      5th: Ricardo Torres is now a Champion at 140 and will show everyone what he is made of. I think he is a talented kid with crazy power as well but he just came up against a more talented fighter in Cotto.

      Last point: Shane isn't the boxer of his past. He was awesome with combinations, speed, and power which he hasn't shown in years. I think the world of Shane but he even said so himself on ********** that he wants to knock everyone out from here on out...meaning he is looking for that one punch. I will admit that if that punch connects it could be lights out for Cotto but I doubt it will come because of Cotto being relentless in his pursuit with Shane. Shane will have to throw combos without tiring and that is something like I have already stated that he has not done in a hot minute.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Primal Instinx
        1st: Cotto has been in the ring with with some good opposition and has taken them out before even Mayweather has I.E. (Zab Judah, Demarcus Corley, Victoriano Sosa) Don't dismiss the guys accomplishments because he made them look amateurish.

        2nd: Everyone says Zab would have beaten him if he would have been throwing punches or in your statement discipline...the problem is you have to have an opening to throw a punch and when you have a beast infront of you pummling you all you can do is take a knee ala Zab.

        3rd: Cotto is underated when it comes to speed and believe me he will catch Shane...it's not like Shane is Pernell Whitaker or Winky.

        4th: Vargas? That man hasn't been the same since his fight with Felix Trinidad. Before that fight he was never on the canvas and he tasted it 5 times with Tito. He fought Wilfredo Rivera and got knocked down face first in the fourth round...let me let you in a secret Rivera is not known for his power...If Shane didn't knock out Vargas I would be highly disappointed.

        5th: Ricardo Torres is now a Champion at 140 and will show everyone what he is made of. I think he is a talented kid with crazy power as well but he just came up against a more talented fighter in Cotto.

        Last point: Shane isn't the boxer of his past. He was awesome with combinations, speed, and power which he hasn't shown in years. I think the world of Shane but he even said so himself on ********** that he wants to knock everyone out from here on out...meaning he is looking for that one punch. I will admit that if that punch connects it could be lights out for Cotto but I doubt it will come because of Cotto being relentless in his pursuit with Shane. Shane will have to throw combos without tiring and that is something like I have already stated that he has not done in a hot minute.
        1) Miguel cotto's defence is lacking, he hold up a nice tight guard to the head and still find it diffcult to slip dodge and aviod punches

        2) He cant fight on the backfoot, he relies on coming forward and landing, credit to him in the judah fight he was able to jab his way in, unfortunaley if shane can dodge the jab cotto will find out what its like to be countered

        3) As i have said before, cotto hasnt ever been in the ring with one single elite fighter, as has been hurt by light punchers

        4) If judah was more diciplined and kept throwing the left hand he prolly would have beaten cotto that night, cotto boxed well, but judah had him hurt several times and couldnt finish him off, judah was also coming off a loss and a DQ

        5) Shane is much more powerful than anyone cotto has ever been in the ring with, yeah vargas was past it, but vargas weighs in at well over 154 on fight night, vargas blows up to heavyweight outside the ring, so moesly stopping him was a major achivement.

        6) Cotto aint gonna be able to work his way in to mosley imo, mosley's speed should prove too much cotto has one way to win the fight, jab in and throw to the body, where mosley can out**** cotto, outbox cotto from the inside. How is cotto gonna deal with mosley's quick flurries or mosley slipping and dodging cotto's jab.

        In my opinion its a bad style match up and cotto is anything but quick, mosely has been in the ring with bigger punchers than cotto and won the fight, but i dont think moesly will have to take many shots to win this fight, mosley is just better, cotto has been hurt serveral times, even urkal got to him at points, cotto is a class fighter, but mosley is in a different class and unless ages catches up with him, he should win this fight.

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        • Kobe Bryant
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          #14
          Although its not official this is Cotto's first fight at welterweight. Remember overall he is a bigger guy than Zab who should and could be fighting at 140. Shane is someone who is in good shape. And he is a legitimate welterweight and is stronger and bulkier than Cotto. I don't see Cotto landing enough to the body against Shane. Remember Shane wants to come forward. And he packs the bigger punch. Why is it not possible that his power will push Cotto backward?

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          • powtail
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            #15
            I just hope the betting lines take mosley as the favorite. I'm gonna make some serious cash...again.

            35 year old Shane is not the same 28-29 Shane. Cotto will prevail.

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            • Mike_R
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              #16
              i got mosley winning, but im biased and a huge fan.

              but shane doesnt typically get hit early on in fights without throwing back, and i think that could end up being a nightmare for cotto trying to go to the body.

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              • Primal Instinx
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                #17
                Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                1) Miguel cotto's defence is lacking, he hold up a nice tight guard to the head and still find it diffcult to slip dodge and aviod punches

                2) He cant fight on the backfoot, he relies on coming forward and landing, credit to him in the judah fight he was able to jab his way in, unfortunaley if shane can dodge the jab cotto will find out what its like to be countered

                3) As i have said before, cotto hasnt ever been in the ring with one single elite fighter, as has been hurt by light punchers

                4) If judah was more diciplined and kept throwing the left hand he prolly would have beaten cotto that night, cotto boxed well, but judah had him hurt several times and couldnt finish him off, judah was also coming off a loss and a DQ

                5) Shane is much more powerful than anyone cotto has ever been in the ring with, yeah vargas was past it, but vargas weighs in at well over 154 on fight night, vargas blows up to heavyweight outside the ring, so moesly stopping him was a major achivement.

                6) Cotto aint gonna be able to work his way in to mosley imo, mosley's speed should prove too much cotto has one way to win the fight, jab in and throw to the body, where mosley can out**** cotto, outbox cotto from the inside. How is cotto gonna deal with mosley's quick flurries or mosley slipping and dodging cotto's jab.

                In my opinion its a bad style match up and cotto is anything but quick, mosely has been in the ring with bigger punchers than cotto and won the fight, but i dont think moesly will have to take many shots to win this fight, mosley is just better, cotto has been hurt serveral times, even urkal got to him at points, cotto is a class fighter, but mosley is in a different class and unless ages catches up with him, he should win this fight.
                1) Miguel Cotto's defense is not too shabby. The reason he was hit in previous fights prior to Zab is because he got careless. He saw that he was beating Corley and Torres and got carried away but a hurt dog is a dangerous dog and that is what happened to Cotto. Again Ricardo Torres can ****...You don't knock out 26 out of 28 oppoents (When he fought Cotto) and not be called a ****er for nothing. He is 31 wins and 27 by KO now...which is still amazing.

                2) Cotto pivots and back and forth and throws punches whether front foot or back foot he gets off but I will agree he like many fighters don't fire off as well off the back foot...but then you stated "IF" Shane can get slip and counter the jab. The jab is one thing but Cotto throws punches in bunches what Shane slips he will eat the rest and that is why Cotto is dangerous he consistantly throws punches in every round until the end of each round not in spurts like Shane. Making it a harder fight for the aged Shane.

                3) I will dismiss your 3rd point because if you have followed Cotto's career he has fought credible guys that people want to dismiss let's just say that people that he has defeated are current champions now, which makes a big statement in opposition.

                4) Should of, could of, would, but didn't! Zab is a spectacular athlete but he didn't do what he should have because again it's easier said than done!

                5) All boxers blow up, it's what is called as walk around weight. Don't get fooled when you hear someone blowing up to 180 lbs. then coming down to 147. That is what all boxers do. The fact is that Vargas resembles Glass Joe from Mike Tyson's punch out so Shane Knocking him out is nothing to brag about. But Shane couldn't knock out the young cats which is my point. I think Cotto looked like he had a glass jaw because he was careless and guys landed good punches. I believe rising in weight also helped him become more steady.

                6) Mosely had a hell of a "pop" in the 130 lbs. division but since rising into welterweight his power is questionable and if anybody ****s on the inside it's Miguel Cotto with his viscious body shots not Mosely. Mosely is not known for inside work he just tends to hold as a defense mechanism where Cotto punishes the body.

                Final point I agree that Shane is faster and is Cotto's biggest Task. I even think the winner of this fight can beat Mayweather but Shane isn't the same man he once was and because of that reason alone he loses and great battle with the younger lion. As stated before I think Cotto would have lost to a younger and smarter Mosely who threw combinations all the time, now the current Mosely throws one punch at a time doesn't amount to a win.

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                • eric maldonado
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                  shane fought a fernando vargas that did not have a real fight since he had fought de la hoya .in the first fight with vargas shane should of won easy but he seemed to have problems with vargas and won the fight on a stoppage. besides the 2nd fight with vargas shane has never hurt any of his bigger opponents so way do people feel he is so strong in his fight with collazo he never seemed to hurt him

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                  • Technical_Skill
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Primal Instinx
                    1) Miguel Cotto's defense is not too shabby. The reason he was hit in previous fights prior to Zab is because he got careless. He saw that he was beating Corley and Torres and got carried away but a hurt dog is a dangerous dog and that is what happened to Cotto. Again Ricardo Torres can ****...You don't knock out 26 out of 28 oppoents (When he fought Cotto) and not be called a ****er for nothing. He is 31 wins and 27 by KO now...which is still amazing.
                    It had nothing to do with cotto knowing he was winning and getting careless, it was to with simply not having a good defense to deal with a quick puncher like judah, judah hurt him in multiple points in that fight, if cotto was being carless, he would have learnt after the first and time, and not got hurt again in that fight, put basically, he couldnt see the judah left hand coming.


                    Originally posted by Primal Instinx
                    2) Cotto pivots and back and forth and throws punches whether front foot or back foot he gets off but I will agree he like many fighters don't fire off as well off the back foot...but then you stated "IF" Shane can get slip and counter the jab. The jab is one thing but Cotto throws punches in bunches what Shane slips he will eat the rest and that is why Cotto is dangerous he consistantly throws punches in every round until the end of each round not in spurts like Shane. Making it a harder fight for the aged Shane.
                    Nah, this isnt the way boxing works, its not as simple as if cotto misses a punch he will get shane with the rest, he cant just walk up to moesly and fire shots, otherwise he will get countered and hurt, he has to jab his way in and land to the body, which is what he does best, if he cant land the jab on shane, i dont see him winning this fight, there is nothing else in his arsenal he should be able to land, cotto isnt a fast puncher and mosley should see those shots coming. Just look at the guys mosley has been in with, and then look at the guy cotto has fought, mosley has been with guys on another level to cotto, and won, thats a fact.
                    Originally posted by Primal Instinx
                    3) I will dismiss your 3rd point because if you have followed Cotto's career he has fought credible guys that people want to dismiss let's just say that people that he has defeated are current champions now, which makes a big statement in opposition.
                    Cotto hasnt ever been in the ring with one elite fighter, fact. He has also been hurt on more than one occasion by lesser guys than mosley, fact.
                    Originally posted by Primal Instinx
                    4) Should of, could of, would, but didn't! Zab is a spectacular athlete but he didn't do what he should have because again it's easier said than done!
                    of course and cotto deserved to win, but if judah wasnt afriad to get it, kept throwing the left hand, and stopped trying to jab and run the whole night and actually done some infighting, he prolly would have won.
                    Originally posted by Primal Instinx
                    5) All boxers blow up, it's what is called as walk around weight. Don't get fooled when you hear someone blowing up to 180 lbs. then coming down to 147. That is what all boxers do. The fact is that Vargas resembles Glass Joe from Mike Tyson's punch out so Shane Knocking him out is nothing to brag about. But Shane couldn't knock out the young cats which is my point. I think Cotto looked like he had a glass jaw because he was careless and guys landed good punches. I believe rising in weight also helped him become more steady.
                    Vargas is HUGE, he shouldnt even be at 160, and he blows up big time on fight night to get an advantage over guys, mosley started his carrrer at 130, to stop a guy as big as vargas is a big thing, yes vargas is past it, but he is still durable.

                    Originally posted by Primal Instinx
                    6) Mosely had a hell of a "pop" in the 130 lbs. division but since rising into welterweight his power is questionable and if anybody ****s on the inside it's Miguel Cotto with his viscious body shots not Mosely. Mosely is not known for inside work he just tends to hold as a defense mechanism where Cotto punishes the body.
                    In terms of landing body shots, cotto's lands the better shots, guess what, how does he get inside moesly and hurt him? i dont see it happening mosely was ****ing away with de la hoya and hit him with greats shots to the body, there is no point in having power if you cant land it, and thats what im trying to say, mosely should be way too evasive for cotto, which is why cotto will try to jab his way in then land.
                    Originally posted by Primal Instinx
                    Final point I agree that Shane is faster and is Cotto's biggest Task. I even think the winner of this fight can beat Mayweather but Shane isn't the same man he once was and because of that reason alone he loses and great battle with the younger lion. As stated before I think Cotto would have lost to a younger and smarter Mosely who threw combinations all the time, now the current Mosely throws one punch at a time doesn't amount to a win.

                    Mosley still has enough to beat cotto, he is the faster fighter, the better fighter, and the more evasive fighter, unless he goes old overnight, its a bad match up for cotto, cotto's only chance is to try and jab his way and land, or sell out to get inside, otherwise mosley should win.

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                    • MightyMikeA
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                      Mark my wods Cotto is going to get KNOCKED OUT by Mosley and here's basically why.

                      Take a good look and analyze many instances of Cotto's recent wins and you'll realize that Cotto has severe flaws that I am sure an experienced and intelligent fighter like Mosley will take advantage of. Take for example his win over Malignaggi. This fight showed that a boxer with a good chin (Malignaggi) could hang in there with Cotto till the final bell regardless of being feather-fisted. Malignaggi lasted, you think Sugar Shane Mosley will not? Malignaggi even managed to win about 4-5 rounds and staggered Cotto once with a nice right hand that Cotto walked in to. You think Cotto will keep running into Mosley right hands all night and still be standing if Paulie was able to rock him?

                      Secondly, Judah is one of the most overrated fighters of today with a thug's mentality and **** for discipline. His win over Judah is overrated as Judah has been on a downward spiral for a long time now. Do you think Mosley would ever lose to Carlos freaking Baldomir? NO WAY.

                      Thirdly, as was mentioned, Torres is now a champ at 140, but barely. He is overrated as hell based on his losing performance against Cotto alone. Mighty Mike Arnaoutis was robbed against this guy and had him in la la land and couldn't put him away. Torres was able to get a gift belt. Besides this he's knocked out stiffs in Columbia all of his career and was able to rock Cotto.

                      Lastly, and most importantly, consider this. Mosley has the power of Torres and is a good boxer like Malignaggi. He has all of the good assets (good chin like Malignaggi, stubborn like Torres) of both of these fighters who were able to trouble Miguel at 140. Now, I could be wrong about all of this, but the only way I think I will be is if Mosley just gets old over night, then youth will be served.

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