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Don't worry Hyperion, I disciplined him for you by stealing his lowly 1,000 points. That's what he gets for calling me racist. A white guy who just so happens to have a banner with 3 black fighters in it.
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you couldn't discipline a dog with two legs. and being white and having black fighters on your banner doesn't give you a free pass to denigrate the best black fighter of our generation. next time you open your ****ing mouth about floyd know what the **** you're talking about. -
Truth. Hopkins is an even comparison I'd say. Although he hasn't captured as many titles in as many different divisions as Floyd has, they're very similar in terms of being notorious gym**** who are very tactical fighters. Both Hopkins and Mayweather seemed more exciting to most people at lower weight classes. I still find them both exciting only now from a technical aspect with the way they're able to avoid an opponet's offense.
Except for Hopkins/Wright, that **** was boring.Comment
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No it isnt and ill tell you why. In reality, this post is just a retread of an argument that will never end until mayweather loses or people just get tired of talking about him. How many times do we have to argue his resume, who ducked him, who he ducked, who didint fight him, who is overrated on his resume, who is underated. This thread really isnt different than **** we have been reading for YEARS that hes been at the top.
Regardless, what annoys is me is pretty much the fact that alot of these people keep talking about how they respect his skill but his opposition isnt good enough. Pretty much the ONLY reason YOU DO respect his skill is through the opposition hes faced. Looking good against competition that matters in title fights that matter are how a fighter is rated skillwise. I could tell you that i think Berto's skills make him an alltime great, but you would tell me i was a ****ing moron because his competition hasnt warranted enough for me to say that.
If i told you a great NCAA football player is an alltime great in college because of his skill, youd only say that due to the top competition that player faced to make him that skillwise. There are lots of guys with speed, ko power, and fast hands, but what have we seen them against to make us think all of that is worthwhile?
You cant sit here and say someones SKILLS exclusively make someone an alltime great, or someone has the potential to be an alltime great exclusively because of skill, but the only reason you say that is due to the nature of the competition they have faced. No one, and i dont care what your damn opinion is, no one can say mayweathers competition hasnt been against top opposition, unless of course your plan is to spout bull**** about how Oscar really isnt an alltime great, when he obviously is. Or your plan is to take away the fact that he fought both undisputed champions at 147, or your plan is to underrate mayweathers resume at 130 and 135, which your entitled to do, but your not saying or doing anything different than what we have all read and heard before.
This thread isnt some godsend of humility and intelligence, its just the same thread remixed and repackaged and re-done, and basically any mayweather thread until the Hatton fight ends is going to be in this category.
great post..good karma coming your way.Comment
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You get labled an all time great from 2 different criteria, ability and opposition. Floyd has all time great ability, and he is well on his way to getting the opposition to have him labled one, we all know he will be remembered as one when he retires, it's so obvious it will happen.Comment
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Well I'm tired as hell, I just finished watching "Friday Night Fights" and I'm going to bed. I'll respond tomorrow morning or afternoon sometime. Good discussion guys.Comment
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You know why SRR will most likley never be relieved of his position as the greatest fighter to ever live, even though his record has 19 losses BEFORE he first retired his record was 131-3-1-1, and 2 of those were disputed. Just think about that REALLY let that sink in and those were against top level opponents. These days fighters don't have to or need to fight that many fights. The time to accomplish an accolade as an alltime great is virtually shorter so I see it as beating AT LEAST 3 certified hall of famers/legends/great fighters and do something that people can say noone ever did or was unbelievably hard to do.Comment
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Your post was very well thought out.
I am not much of a Floyd fan, but you said "In order to be an ATG, you have to beat other ATG's" don't you consider Castillo and De La Hoya to be Greats?Comment
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