ROY JONES JR. comments on MICHAEL VICK and dogfighting

[raysan]

It's not about that placing a human's life over an animal. In our society, the law is here to enforce civility and decentsy. What Vick did was beyond the boundaries of what's decent in our society. If we allow this kinda of behavior, what next?...

True, it could probably lead to the shooting of innocent animals in their own environment...oh wait thats already legal. To me a death is a death, these animals would have been killed anyway. Im just saying his whole life shouldnt be ruined over some dogs. Was it against the law, yes... was he an idiot for fighting dogs when he had over a hundred million coming to him, yes...but i just dont feel over a year in prision is warranted for killing dogs, that would have been killed anyway...

[Derranged_]

I believe ****-fighting is only legal in Louisiana. My uncle Vergilio is the Don King of Bogalusa, Louisiana. Wait, did I just commit career suicide?

No Asian,...just as long as you don't become the 'Don King' of boxingscene!..

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

It's not about that placing a human's life over an animal. In our society, the law is here to enforce civility and decentsy. What Vick did was beyond the boundaries of what's decent in our society. If we allow this kinda of behavior, what next?...

Boston... and I say this with all due respect.

The U.S.A. puts very SELECTIVE criteria around what is cruel to animals. You can drive 30 minutes from San Diego and be at a plaza de toros. Now, did human decency change at the border? Are Mexicans as a people any less decent or civil than Americans? Of course not.

Dog fighting is common in Brazil, in Argentina. Bullfighting is common throughout Latin America and in Spain/Portugal.

Americans say that they care about animals, but the Vice President is out hunting (and shooting his boy in the face). And the cowboy culture and rodeos are celebrated. Do people know how cruel rodeos are?

And I won't even start on the cruelty inherent in the food chain.

Americans are very good people. But I think the wealth in this country means that some people push some very strange agendas.

[Pico Hollywood]

Boston... and I say this with all due respect.

The U.S.A. puts very SELECTIVE criteria around what is cruel to animals. You can drive 30 minutes from San Diego and be at a plaza de toros. Now, did human decency change at the border? Are Mexicans as a people any less decent or civil than Americans? Of course not.

Dog fighting is common in Brazil, in Argentina. Bullfighting is common throughout Latin America and in Spain/Portugal.

Americans say that they care about animals, but the Vice President is out hunting (and shooting his boy in the face). And the cowboy culture and rodeos are celebrated. Do people know how cruel rodeos are?

And I won't even start on the cruelty inherent in the food chain.

Americans are very good people. But I think the wealth in this country means that some people push some very strange agendas.

America is so contradicting its not even funny

[Derranged_]

True, it could probably lead to the shooting of innocent animals in their own environment...oh wait thats already legal. To me a death is a death, these animals would have been killed anyway. Im just saying his whole life shouldnt be ruined over some dogs. Was it against the law, yes... was he an idiot for fighting dogs when he had over a hundred million coming to him, yes...but i just dont feel over a year in prision is warranted for killing dogs, that would have been killed anyway...

A death is not a death. Killing an animal humanely and torturing it or executing it like Vick did is very different. Human life is more sacred than an animal's but it's just wrong to inflict pain and suffering on a lifeform such as dog, who can feel the pain.

Boston... and I say this with all due respect.

The U.S.A. puts very SELECTIVE criteria around what is cruel to animals. You can drive 30 minutes from San Diego and be at a plaza de toros. Now, did human decency change at the border? Are Mexicans as a people any less decent or civil than Americans? Of course not.

Dog fighting is common in Brazil, in Argentina. Bullfighting is common throughout Latin America and in Spain/Portugal.

Americans say that they care about animals, but the Vice President is out hunting (and shooting his boy in the face). And the cowboy culture and rodeos are celebrated. Do people know how cruel rodeos are?

And I won't even start on the cruelty inherent in the food chain.

Americans are very good people. But I think the wealth in this country means that some people push some very strange agendas.

I agree that animal abuse comes in different forms in the U.S. but the varying degrees of cruelty is what matters in this case. Are animals abused during rodeos? Well, sure, but it's not the intent to abuse the animal. In Vick's case and in dog fighting in general, to intent is to inflict pain and death during these fights.

As for Vick, I don't think he should spend more than 12 months in prison and be 'villianized' for the rest of his life....

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I agree that animal abuse comes in different forms in the U.S. but the varying degrees of cruelty is what matters in this case. Are animals abused during rodeos? Well, sure, but it's not the intent to abuse the animal. In Vick's case and in dog fighting in general, to intent is to inflict pain and death during these fights.

As for Vick, I don't think he should spend more than 12 months in prison and be 'villianized' for the rest of his life[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]....

To address something you said earlier: You said "are animals abused during rodeos? well, sure". IF WE KNOW that the animals are being abused, then why is it watched, legal, approved, sanctioned and even supported by corporate America? THAT is the hypocrisy.

I understand that it is not the INTENT to abuse. But it is a routine consequence.

[Unseen]

i agree with you above there bro. Humans are much more important than dogs. With all the dog attacks on humans lately and killing of humans by dogs. I have no problem with vicous dogs killing each other. better them than people. Just my oppinin. Im not much of a dog person.

fighting each other is wrong too. these dogs were breed to fight and it just so happens that dog attacks are done by these dogs too.

[Derranged_]

To address something you said earlier: You said "are animals abused during rodeos? well, sure". IF WE KNOW that the animals are being abused, then why is it watched, legal, approved, sanctioned and even supported by corporate America? THAT is the hypocrisy.

I understand that it is not the INTENT to abuse. But it is a routine consequence.

Maybe that was a poor choice of words; I would say mistreated is the better term. In any event, the intent is the factor, I think, and the severvity of the 'mistreatment' or 'abuse.'

Another argument against dog fighting is the unintended consequences of raising dogs to be vicious and brutal. People are frequently attacked in the inner city of Boston by these dogs because they trained to bite and attack. This is also a public safety issue...

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

And he should go to jail? People sell drugs to kids and dont go to jail, people beat women and don't go to jail they get probation.... He fought dogs. He should be punished, but jail naw... JMO

In all seriousness. I really do think that Michael Vick did not realize the gravity of the situation. Here's why:

1) He put the house in his name, and allowed all the activities to take place there.

2) He had his name linked to Bad Newz Kennels.

3) When he was called in by the Commissioner, the NFLPA had to tell him to bring a representative. He took it so lightly.

Michael did not act like he was (or rather KNEW he was) linked to a criminal enterprise. HE DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO HIDE ANYTHING. Now, I know that ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law. So he is responsible. And he has to take ownership for his actions. If the sentencing guidelines say prison, then to the pokey it is!

But we have to allow him to restart his life and livelihood when he gets out.

[Tyson Jones]

dogs by nature have a chemical imbalance that makes their instincts much more attacking than humans. i agree than some dogs can be made more vicious but dogs are natural that way, now you can breed them to be less but you can never take those instincts away from them. im not saying dog killing dogs isnt wrong, im just saying i would rather them kill out its on race before it tries to get us humans down. their being way to hard on a man who didnt hurt a human. based on what other humans have done to other humans. its contradictory like someone above said.