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  • adamk1304
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    #41
    Originally posted by braveheart31
    thats what ive been telling people
    stop spamming you moron.

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    • mick66
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      #42
      If Collazo, who is bigger than Hatton, a southpaw which he struggles against, fights him when he has to gain 7 lbs in a few weeks, makes mistakes with his training ..coming in to heavy in the short time available, losing his stamina and mobility and Collazo still loses against the little guy.....AND HATTON STILL WON.

      Well Collazo just lost out on the best chance of a victory he was going to get..Next time it would be easy for Hatton...
      You can see that Hatton was not right...His stamina is the thing that has amazed people for the previous 8 years or so...he never normally tires..
      Two of his fights in the US did not go to plan.....1/ Because he had a cold
      2/ Because he ballsed up his weight/ preperation...

      And for Hatton to struggle at the end of fights is unheard of..I doubt we will see that Happen again...

      Oh, and Hatton is really scared, and has run back down to 140.. ...thats why he's only going to fight the best P4p fighter at that weight WW...
      Get real ...

      Time and time again we see people comparing fighters by the common opponents they have faced.....It's totally meaningless...

      Castillo ring a bell..

      Hatton has had a couple of fights that did not go to plan...and still won...
      When things go to plan...he's got a good chance of beating anyone....
      But some haters will continue hating , no matter what....There is nothing you can do to do to win them round...So there is no point trying...

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      • DIOS DOMINICANO
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        #43
        Originally posted by squealpiggy

        A rematch would have seen Hatton stripped of his title and cast adrift with basically nothing to offer. Remember that the WBA had mandated a defense against Oktay Urkal. If Hatton had rematched Collazo then he would lose the WBA title, vacate the ring title at 140 lbs and basically be one of those dangerous fighters with no pull. I wasn't happy about the Urango debacle but he followed that up with a hugely impressive win against Castillo and a showdown with the P4P king. So it would really be hard to argue with the benefit of hindsight that a rematch with Collazo would have helped his career.

        Hello...? Hugely impressive win vs Castillo? Anybody who saw it knows that Castillo was a shell of his former self. Was your sound working? Did you hear the commentators?

        Nobody cares about that belt!! We all know that Hatton is the best 140er. Nobody cares about that random little belt. Anymore than we care about malignaggi's or witter's.

        Cotto-mosley is a big fight. What belt are they fighting for? PBF took the belt from Oscar and immediately dumped it. PBF had the WBC 140 belt and pitched that ****. Does anybody feel that Williams is the WW "champion"? Or is it Cintron? Pacquiao has had a bunch of big fights. For what belts?

        Hatton (and margarito) have clung to their little belts and used that excuse every time they wanted to go fight weak opposition.

        Warren offered Ricky several big fights in the summer/fall of '05 (post-Tszyu). Instead, Ricky went for Maussa. It is those types of decisions that has put him in the situation where he can't carry a big card. That is why he is not a star in America.

        December 8th... the truth will be revealed. One way or another.
        Last edited by DIOS DOMINICANO; 08-11-2007, 09:59 AM.

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        • rooq
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          #44
          Originally posted by jamesbrown
          for those of you out there that think Hatton is going to beat PBF when he really didn't beat Collazo plz explain your critical thinking???? What does Collazo have that pbf doesn't. Collazo a "slick" counter puncher who is above average doesn't compare to PBF in terms of quickness, ability, ringsmarts, skill, and etc... So i say to you quit day dreaming and comeback to reality... unless the boxing match turns into a royal rumble and pbf get tossed over the top rope PBF will win by UD
          ****in ridiculous argument. "boxer X struggled against boxer Y who isn't as good as boxer Z so how the hell will X beat Z?"

          i wonder if pbf fans would rather floyd just stayed retired because its obvious that no-one is worthy of fighting him. i bet thats what braveheart31's been telling people.

          anyway, these threads are getting way too tiresome... the fights 5 months away and everyone on this site is going to be sick of it before it even happens.

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            #45
            Originally posted by rooq
            anyway, these threads are getting way too tiresome... the fights 5 months away and everyone on this site is going to be sick of it before it even happens.
            It was the same for "The World Awaits". And people didn't get tired of that either. In fact, they created threads about that fight two months after the fight was over.

            Somehow, love him or hate him, Mayweather has put himself in the situation of being far and away the most talked-about and most watched fighter of 2007.

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            • squealpiggy
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              #46
              Hello...? Hugely impressive win vs Castillo? Anybody who saw it knows that Castillo was a shell of his former self. Was your sound working? Did you hear the commentators?
              I never knew that the commentators were the best authority on the match they are commentating on. I prefer to watch the fight and draw my own conclusions than to fast-forward to see Harold Lederman's card. Regardless, Hatton knocked out a guy who had never hit the deck before with a body shot. The standard of Castillo's fight that night was not the impresive part, it was the nature of the win that was impressive. As well you know.

              Nobody cares about that belt!! We all know that Hatton is the best 140er. Nobody cares about that random little belt. Anymore than we care about malignaggi's or witter's.
              It's funny because Witter's belt is constantly brought up by Hatton's detractors as "proof" that Hatton is ducking Witter. The belts carry a meaning. Without the belts it isn't a title fight. Do you think that Mayweather would have fought Baldomir if there wasn't a couple of straps on the line?

              Cotto-mosley is a big fight. What belt are they fighting for? PBF took the belt from Oscar and immediately dumped it. PBF had the WBC 140 belt and pitched that ****. Does anybody feel that Williams is the WW "champion"? Or is it Cintron? Pacquiao has had a bunch of big fights. For what belts?
              The belts only seem to carry a meaning if you're using them to make a point. Other than that they are meaningless - if only to make another point. Floyd Mayweather has been playing collect-the-world-titles for years now and fair play to him. But I've heard his fight against Henry Bruseles justified on the basis of it being a title eliminator. You can't have it both ways.

              Hatton (and margarito) have clung to their little belts and used that excuse every time they wanted to go fight weak opposition.
              When has Hatton done that? He hasn't faced a single mandatory yet, and most recently he vacated his IBF belt to take on the tougher challenger. What would have been a more meaningful fight, Hatton vs Castillo or Hatton vs Lovemore N'Dou?

              Warren offered Ricky several big fights in the summer/fall of '05 (post-Tszyu). Instead, Ricky went for Maussa. It is those types of decisions that has put him in the situation where he can't carry a big card. That is why he is not a star in America.
              Where was your source for this information? frankwarren.tv? Warren is well documented as the kind of promoter who "offers" fights all the time. Warren is doing wonders for Joe Calzaghe eh?

              Besides which Maussa was a legit titleholder. He beat Harris fair and square and Ricky sparked him on his way to becoming the first British Fighter of the Year in the Ring magazine. Hatton was set to unify at 140 before Lazcano pulled out of his bout, then he went on a slightly dodgy path in taking on Collazo. But he beat the number two rated fighter at 140 lbs and now he's taking on the number one rated pound for pound fighter in the world. I'm not sure how you can question his recent path, it seems fairly positive.

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                #47
                Originally posted by jamesbrown
                for those of you out there that think Hatton is going to beat PBF when he really didn't beat Collazo plz explain your critical thinking???? What does Collazo have that pbf doesn't. Collazo a "slick" counter puncher who is above average doesn't compare to PBF in terms of quickness, ability, ringsmarts, skill, and etc... So i say to you quit day dreaming and comeback to reality... unless the boxing match turns into a royal rumble and pbf get tossed over the top rope PBF will win by UD
                Floyd is faster, more technically sound, in better shape, has better defense, better ring generalship, throws better left hooks, has a better jab, has a better straight right and and better right hook. He has more ring experience, more pop in his shots (27w, 13ko vs 38w, 24ko), has a better chin and has fought in far more title fights.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by squealpiggy
                  I never knew that the commentators were the best authority on the match they are commentating on. I prefer to watch the fight and draw my own conclusions than to fast-forward to see Harold Lederman's card. Regardless, Hatton knocked out a guy who had never hit the deck before with a body shot. The standard of Castillo's fight that night was not the impresive part, it was the nature of the win that was impressive. As well you know.



                  It's funny because Witter's belt is constantly brought up by Hatton's detractors as "proof" that Hatton is ducking Witter. The belts carry a meaning. Without the belts it isn't a title fight. Do you think that Mayweather would have fought Baldomir if there wasn't a couple of straps on the line?



                  The belts only seem to carry a meaning if you're using them to make a point. Other than that they are meaningless - if only to make another point. Floyd Mayweather has been playing collect-the-world-titles for years now and fair play to him. But I've heard his fight against Henry Bruseles justified on the basis of it being a title eliminator. You can't have it both ways.



                  When has Hatton done that? He hasn't faced a single mandatory yet, and most recently he vacated his IBF belt to take on the tougher challenger. What would have been a more meaningful fight, Hatton vs Castillo or Hatton vs Lovemore N'Dou?



                  Where was your source for this information? frankwarren.tv? Warren is well documented as the kind of promoter who "offers" fights all the time. Warren is doing wonders for Joe Calzaghe eh?

                  Besides which Maussa was a legit titleholder. He beat Harris fair and square and Ricky sparked him on his way to becoming the first British Fighter of the Year in the Ring magazine. Hatton was set to unify at 140 before Lazcano pulled out of his bout, then he went on a slightly dodgy path in taking on Collazo. But he beat the number two rated fighter at 140 lbs and now he's taking on the number one rated pound for pound fighter in the world. I'm not sure how you can question his recent path, it seems fairly positive.
                  I agreed with your post up to her.
                  Get serious, Maussa ****ing sucks.

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                  • Technical_Skill
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                    #49
                    Saw Hatton on Uk Tv today, he looks like he's excited about the fight, he doesnt look in good shape though, i hope he knows mayweather is likely to be training for this fight as we speak.

                    I find this fight intriguing, hatton seems confident, where as before he would stutter and say this and that, now he seems ready to fight.

                    But mayweather is one of the best trash talkers in boxing, his line to hatton was a classic.

                    "Does he really wanna step in the ring with the best fighter of his era and embarass himself?"

                    On the other hand billy Graham says hatton has a gameplan which doesnt just involve swarming, which is good if you are a hatton fan, because i think ricky will need a plan b that night.

                    Gonna be a great fight, ive got my exact pick but i wont share it.

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                    • jamesbrown
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by rooq
                      ****in ridiculous argument. "boxer X struggled against boxer Y who isn't as good as boxer Z so how the hell will X beat Z?"

                      i wonder if pbf fans would rather floyd just stayed retired because its obvious that no-one is worthy of fighting him. i bet thats what braveheart31's been telling people.

                      anyway, these threads are getting way too tiresome... the fights 5 months away and everyone on this site is going to be sick of it before it even happens.
                      these threads are the reason for the forum....
                      5 months til your beloved hatton is soundly defeated no judges will save him this time

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