Arum: "If No Hatton, De La Hoya-Cotto Possible"

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

It seems that Cotto's ceiling for this fight is about $5 million. Shouldn't he be making MORE for this fight? I assume that Shane will also get around $5 mil.

350K PPV's = 17 million (conservatively)
MSG Gate = 2 million
Sponsors = 1 million


For a fight that will gross 20 million plus in revenues, you would EXPECT that the purses should be more than 10 mil. The undercard purses will be low. For a fight of this magnitude, there's no need to juice the undercard. Am I missing something here?? Top Rank is gonna make a bundle off this fight. UNLESS, they don't believe that this fight can do 350-400K.

See, guys. This is why PBF left Arum and became a promotional free agent. And this is why he ignored that "offer" for $ 8 million from Margarito.

That's a guarantee of 4 million, some fighters get a purse number but not guaranteed. Hopkins and Wright only got between 3-3.5 million each for their fight so Cotto is actually getting more.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

The first PPV was Gatti in June , 2005.

Excluding Delahoya's "The World Awaits", PBF has sold 1.1 million PPV's in the THREE cards where he headlined.

By contrast, Miguel Cotto has sold under 300K in his TWO par-per-view cards.

He did well considering the first ppv was a Top Rank production and he was facing a guy only known to people on the East Coast. And when he fought Judah he was fighting a guy who was 0-3 coming in.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

That's a guarantee of 4 million, some fighters get a purse number but not guaranteed. Hopkins and Wright only got between 3-3.5 million each for their fight so Cotto is actually getting more.

Yes, I agree. But from reading the article, it seems as if he has a lower ceiling... or 'cap".

I took the statement to mean that his total take won't exceed five mil. Isn't that how you saw it?

Hop/Wink are in a bit of a different situation b/c they (well, BH at least) were promotional partners with a vested interest. Hop will make money in GBP equity. Cotto is not an owner in TR.

[cupcrazy01]

Huh?

Roy Jones DECISIVELY BEAT Bernard Hopkins and James Toney. And he fought Antonio Tarver.


Who were the "best" at MW/SMW/LHW that Jones didn't fight? Please help me understand.

Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Gerald McClellan (I know, I know, they were friends), Darius Michalczewski, Steve Collins, Henry Maske, Vassily Jirov, Michael Nunn, Joe Calzaghe...

These guys aren't all top-tier, P4P guys, don't get me wrong, but you cannot deny that these guys are alot better on the whole than the non-Hopkins/Toney opponents Roy faced from 94-2004.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

He did well considering the first ppv was a Top Rank production and he was facing a guy only known to people on the East Coast. And when he fought Judah he was fighting a guy who was 0-3 coming in.

The 100K for Malignaggi was completely excusable. That fight was not a HBOPPV and it competed with Hopkins-Tarver. Personally, I bought the Cotto fight.

But the Judah fight doing sub-200K was a disappointment. Especially the paucity of West Coast and Southern buys.

[cupcrazy01]

The first PPV was Gatti in June , 2005.

Excluding Delahoya's "The World Awaits", PBF has sold 1.1 million PPV's in the THREE cards where he headlined.

By contrast, Miguel Cotto has sold under 300K in his TWO par-per-view cards.

Good stuff, but Cotto will be closer after Nov.10. In his three PPV cards after the Mosley fight, he will be close to 1 million, not that far behind PBF. Cotto-Mosley could do 500k possibly...

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

PPV History

Sorry for the long post....



Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.2 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 2: 1.99 MIL

Tyson-Lewis: 1.8 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 1: 1.59 MIL

Tyson- McNeely: 1.55 MIL

Holyfield - Foreman: 1.4 MIL

DelaHoya-Trinidad: 1.4 MIL

Tyson-Bruno: 1.37 MIL

Tyson-Ruddock 2: 1.25 MIL

Holyfield-Lewis 1: 1.2 MIL

Holyfield-Douglas: 1.06 MIL

Tyson -Selden: 1.01 MIL

DelaHoya- Hopkins - 1.0 Mil

DelaHoya - Mosley 2 : 975K

Tyson- Ruddock 1: 959K

DelaHoya- Vargas - 940K

DelaHoya-Mayorga - 935K

Holyfield-Bowe 1: 929K

Delahoya-Whitaker: 720K


Tyson-Botha: 700K

DelaHoya - Mosley : 585K

Delahoya- Quartey: 570K

Delahoya-Camacho: 560K

Delahoya-Chavez 2: 525K

Trinidad- Wright: 520K

Trinidad - Vargas: 520K

Trinidad-Hopkins: 475K

Tyson-Golota: 450K

Lewis/Tua - 420K

Jones-Tarver 3 : 415K

Mosley-Vargas: 415K

Taylor-Hopkins 2: 410K

DelaHoya - castillejo: 400K

Mayweather-Judah : 400k

Delahoya-Sturm: 380K

Taylor-Hopkins : 370K

Gatti-Mayweather: 360K

Trinidad-Joppy: 350K

Lewis - Grant: 350K

Hopkins- Tarver: 350K

Delahoya-Campas: 350K

Morales- Pacquiao 3: 360K

Morales- pacquiao 2: 350k

Morales-pacquiao: 340K

Mayweather- Baldomir: 340K

Delahoya-Gonzales: 345K

Morales- Barrera 1,2,3: 300k-330K each

Delahoya- Ruelas: 330K

Delahoya- W. Rivera: 240K

Delahoya-G. Hernandez: 220K

Ruiz-Golota: 175K

Barrera-Juarez: 165K

Jones, Jr- Harding: 125K

Klitschko- Williams: 120K

Barrera-Peden: 110K

Cotto-Malignaggi : 90K

Barrera-Fana: 75K

Rahman-Maskaev: 60K

Margarito-Gomez: 35K

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Good stuff, but Cotto will be closer after Nov.10. In his three PPV cards after the Mosley fight, he will be close to 1 million, not that far behind PBF. Cotto-Mosley could do 500k possibly...

I dunno about 500K. Historical data would make that number seem unlikely. Vargas (2006) still had a bigger fanbase than Cotto. And Vargas-Mosley did low 400's.

500K gets into the Trinidad or Delahoya territory. My prediction for Mosley-Cotto is high 300s. It may have been more if only more people had seen the Judah fight.

Please remember that Shane fought Collazo in a pretty empty house. I don't think that SSM is the draw that he may have been.

[SkillspayBills]

Wow, cotto deserving more than mayweather is one of the most assinine statements I have heard in a while. Who has cotto beat to garner an amount even close to mayweathers?

[Undocumented]

That is so ******. How the hell is he more valuable? Alot more people know of Floyd then him. Just because you like the way he fights doesnt mean he should make more money. Alot of people appreciate Floyd's style in & outside of the ring way more then you people think. Also, Cotto has no kind of personality and if you dont have that then you dont sell

Personality is actors...Cotto's style in ring has more life than Mayweather's. He deserves more $$ for actually fighting. Maywetaher should go to track and field. Boxing is a man's sport. Mayweather has that "i think I like ****s" twinkle in his eyes..