Cotto Speaks on Mosley Bout, Mayweather

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

dominicano is just mad that cotto is the man in the boxing game right now next to floyd thats why people hate them so much people say floyd runs and that miguel has a weak chin but yet floyd and cotto dominate all there opponents

Huh? that makes no sense. I like Miguel.

Other than him having a pretty flat personality, you won't find me saying anything bad about Miguel.

You are making **** up. Don't be a girl.

[Del Coqui]

"We’re rivals,” Cotto said. “Mayweather is a star of the sport and we’re in the same company. Mayweather was a great champion at 130 and 135. We don’t know about 140. When the company says the time is right to make the fight, I’ll fight him. I think it's a good fight. I know Mayweather's a great fighter. But I know I can beat him."

Again, Team Cotto and Arum did not want to put Miguel in with Floyd. They wanted a few more fights to a) build up Miguel's name and b) get Miguel some more experience.

But what you CAN'T do is turn down a fight, and then when YOU feel you are ready, you expect the other guy to jump. That is the same thing Shane did. SSM turned down a fight on national TV ("my vacation..."my tooth"). And then when PBF becomes this huge name (thanks to Oscar) he comes knocking talking about "Mayweather grew feathers".

With the exception of Oscar, all the money is going through Floyd. That is why you suddenly hear all these guys calling him out. The way Floyd/Forrest/Winky/Bernard/ etc all used to call out Oscar.

There's a difference between Arum not wanting to let two of his biggest fighters in the ring just yet and Cotto's team acutally turning down an offer for a fight. The interview is not about a formal offer for a Cotto fight. How Cotto was too green yet Bruseles fit the bill beats me.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

When Mayweather was Arum's biggest fighter he said he wouldn't put Cotto nowhere near PBF. PBF talks a lotta crap on interviews and that's not Cotto's style although he mentioned recently how PBF has made a career outta track meetings. No fight has been negotiated or formally offered.

Arum did not want to negotiate. Nor did Hatton.

How do you force someone to negotiate?

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Eric,

What is "an offer"? A signed contract? All terms specified?

When you turn down the opportunity to EVEN NEGOTIATE, you have essentially turned down an offer. That is the modern boxing lexicon.

Turning down a fight is when a legit offer is made to one side by another side, and the initial side turns it down. A reported asking a fighter a question and the fighter says I wont fight him until my promoter gives me the green light, does not equate a fighter turning down a fight.

[eric maldonado]

who's making **** up you make it seem like cotto is ducking floyd

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

There's a difference between Arum not wanting to let two of his biggest fighters in the ring just yet and Cotto's team acutally turning down an offer for a fight. The interview is not about a formal offer for a Cotto fight. How Cotto was too green yet Bruseles fit the bill beats me.

LIsten, you guys have to stop with the "formal offer" talk. Do you even know what that is in the boxing game?

By "formal offer", do you mean a written contract executed by one party? Because if that is your criteria, I will tell you that is RARELY done that way. The MAJORITY of fights are done by talking, and after there's a verbal agreem,ent or "meeting of the minds",THEN the contracts are done.

So, did Floyd/Ellerbe/Haymon write up a contract? No. Did Haymon call Arum and ask him to initiate negotiations for a PBF-MC fight? Yes.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

who's making **** up you make it seem like cotto is ducking floyd

That is not what I said. Those are YOUR words. What I said was that if Cotto was so hard up to fight PBF, he had a chance to make a fight happen before.

Now that PBF is a big money fighter, MC wants to try to dictate the terms/timing. That isn't going to happen.

[Del Coqui]

LIsten, you guys have to stop with the "formal offer" talk. Do you even know what that is in the boxing game?

By "formal offer", do you mean a written contract executed contract by one party? Because if that is your criteria, I will tell you that is RARELY done that way. The MAJORITY of fights are done by talking, and after there's a verbal agreem,ent or "meeting of the minds",THEN the contracts are done.

So, did Floyd/Ellerbe/Haymon write up a contract? No. Did Haymon call Arum and ask him to initiate negotiations for a PBF-MC fight? Yes.

NO! A formal offer is a promotor who already talked to the fighter and his manager makes an approach to another promotor to get a fight signed. Whatever you hear on interviews without having both parties involved is not an offer. That's like saying Wlad is ducking RJJ because RJJ says he wants to fight him.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Turning down a fight is when a legit offer is made to one side by another side, and the initial side turns it down. A reported asking a fighter a question and the fighter says I wont fight him until my promoter gives me the green light, does not equate a fighter turning down a fight.

How about when someone from management team "A" calls manager "B" or Promoter "B" ?
Because that is what happened. In the cotto, Hatton AND Mosley instances.

Merchant was REPORTING what happened. Merchant isn't Bruce Trampler (although he tried to be for B.A.D.). He doesn't make fights. He asked SSM if he would take the Mosley fight based on knowledge that Team mayweather had offered Jin Mosley's wife an opportunity to negotiate.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

NO! A formal offer is a promotor who already talked to the fighter and his manager makes an approach to another promotor to get a fight signed. Whatever you hear on interviews without having both parties involved is not an offer. That's like saying Wlad is ducking RJJ because RJJ says he wants to fight him.

How is that different than what I just said happened? Floyd needed a fight. hayman calls Arum. Arum says "we need a few more fights". How is that not declining?

You are driving your Corvette down the street. I approach you and say "I would like to buy your car". If you are at all interested, you say "make me an offer". If you are not interested at all, you say "it's not for sale".

Arum said that Cotto wasn't for sale. Who knows? The offer may have been $10 mil. (it wouldn't be b/c Floyd is a cheap-ass, but whatever). Turning down the opportunity to even negotiate is indicative that you don't want the fight at any price. Which is fine. But don't try to make it what it ain't.