IMO, the Heavyweight division is REALLY holding the spor back. thoughts?

[aljon]

no reason? what reason IS there to appreciate the heavyweights when NONE of them seem to want to unify or improve the division or the sport.

What positivie thing have todays heavyweights done for boxing? The most positive thing was when Lamon Brewster knocked out Wladimir Klitschko, and then gave us an awsome fight with Lyko a few years later.

Then don't watch it, not much I can tell you if you don't appreciate it.
People hate the division so badly but yet there's something about it that keeps catching people's attention, it must not be that bad. People think HW boxing is bad because it's not recognized in USA because there is no american fighters but in Europe everybody knows about an upcoming HW title match, and guess what, they watch it for free.. People should be wondering why are the americans the only ones that bash this division so badly... That's were race comes in as well...

[beez721]

3 years ago Lennox Lewis retired and the Heavyweight division officially ******.

But before that, all your heavyweight stars were fading. Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Golata a bit later.

So about 7 years ago u know, we all talked with our friends and stuff about how we hoped boxing looked in a decade.

Well, IMO, this is how i hoped boxing would look below the heavyweight division.

A decently talented Cruiserweight division, that is probably among the most exciting, fun, and interesting divisions in boxing. Mormeck and Bell have produced 2 of the most exciting fights of the last 2 years. Throw Wilson, Banks, Macc, Haye, and cunningham into the mix...
(B-)

A much more talented Light Heavyweight division then was the case in 2000. Hopkins moved up and is still fighting. Chad Dawson is coming up and he seems great. The division is still old and obviously needs work. But it can still produce big fights and interesting matchups.
(C+)

The supermiddleweight division is very deep. Calzaghe is fight Kessler, Lacy is still around. Andrade is always exciting, allan green is still good, lucian bute is on his way up, and sakio biki who is on the bottom of the top 10 is still fun to watch. And Edison Miranda has plans to move to this division.
(A)

The Middleweight division is GREAT, especially considering the weak, empty division we had years back. Pavlik and taylor are fighting, Winky Wright plans to return, Arthur Abraham is very good. Sturm and Castillejo are good fighters. Sam soliman and Mora are at least entertaining, if not good fighters.
(B+)

The Junior Middleweight division is weak. Mayweather is down at Welterweight again, as is Oscar De La Hoya. Kassim Ouma is moving up i think to fight mora. Ike Quarey is also moving down to welterweight... so this division is practically deserted, and much worse then it was in years past.
(C-)

The Welterweight division is absolutely LOADED. DLH, Mayweather, and Quartey all have plans to move down to this division, and hatton with a one fight plan to move up. Cotto is good and exciting, williams is good and exciting, margarito is good and exciting, cintron is good and exciting, clottey is good and exciting. If Zab Judah cant make it in the division, you must know its stacked.
(A+)

The Junior Welterweight division is great, probably the most underrated division in boxing. Hatton moving up for only one fight to fight mayweather. But even if he left you have Witter, harris, Ndou, Lazcano, D.hop, Holt, and Ngoudjo. May not be teh most talented division, but thats a very exciting division.
(B-)

The Lightweights. Probably my favorite division in boxing. Joel Casamayor is a great fighter. You have future superstars in there, like Juan Diaz, Mickael Katsidis, and Anthony peterson. And great fighters like Campbell and kid diamond. but you also have Zaheer Rahim, which brings it down a point! lol
(A-)

Jr. Lightweights. Another GREAT division with some of boxings brightest starts. manny pacquiao, JMM, Barrera, Guzman, Valero, Barrios, Soto... Just a great division
(A)

The Featherweight division is also pretty good. It invites anybody from the Junior Featherweight division to move up for some good money fights. Chris John, Robert Guerrero, Jorge Solis, Jorge Linares, and Rocky Juarez.
(B-)

The Junior Featherweight division just held the best fight this year, and a third one that promises to be just as good if not better. Israel Vazquez, Rafael Marquez, Somsak, Ponce De Leon, Bautista, and Manuel Medina.
(B)

Below that there are some great fighters. Like Edgar Sosa, Ulises Solis, Brian Vilaria, Omar Nino, Donaire, Martin Castillo, Cristian Mijares, Ivan Calderon... etc. A whole bunch of unkowns and bad fighters in the mix though
(C+)

But the Heavyweight division i would grade the WORST. I would give it maybe a (D) if i was nice.

The up and coming heavyweights may be exciting, but none are particularly talented and lets me honest, how much of a chance do they really stand agains the 7 foot giants the division holds at the top.

I cant stand the Heavyweight division, its most talented fighter, wlad klitschko, is no where near exciting and isnt all that talented either!

And considering the fact that the Heavyweight division is like the leadrole in a play, and takes that spotlight with it whereever it goes, Boxing is be brought down because of this division.

If its ever repaired, which may take decades, and the divisions below it are as good as the are now, how could boxing not be back?

below the heavyweight division, boxing is what it should be, as the best are now starting to fight the best

strongly disagree with this post. too many people trash the heavyweights because of the lack of american talent. quit looking at your backyard and look globally

[beez721]

You are without question one of the most pompous, obnoxious internet posters I've ever encountered. You're staggering ignorance of boxing is pretty astounding. You make some of the most idiotic comments in regards to the sport. How have you posted on this board for so long with such a narrow ignorant grasp of the sport.....


Now as for the debate at hand....

The heavyweight division is dominated by Euro honkeys right now because america's athleticly talented big men don't go near the sport of boxing. The NFL contains the most athleticly gifted big men in the world. If these freakish ****mens such as the likes of Daunte Culpepper, Donovan Mcnabb, Jamarcus Russel who combine sickly quickness, power, and speed were to choose career paths in boxing america would still own these Euro goobers without question. The Europeans haven't changed, the americans have.


##BTW I'm not saying the above names I've mentioned would be great boxers simply using the example of that type of athlete that dominates american sports.

thanks for now making it clear as day that youre a racial bigot. we now all know not to take any of your posts seriously. maybe one of these days you'll grow up

[beez721]

You could as well say that if they played football in Eastern Europe, those guys would dominate the NFL.

I wouldn't say that because it's a ****** hypothetical, but it would have the same value as the claim you make

it amazes me how at least 75%+ of these posters that are all negative about the heavyweight division are black. hmmm,,,,get over it people

[aljon]

strongly disagree with this post. too many people trash the heavyweights because of the lack of american talent. quit looking at your backyard and look globally

Couldn't have said it better...

[beez721]

Racist? I'm white! I just acknowledge the truth.

lmao. nice try clown. your about as white as the crap I just took

[adamk1304]

"all the best american heavyweights are in the nfl" this is quite possibly the most lame and pathetic excuse i've ever heard. Europeans could quite easily claim that their best boxers are playing as centre backs (football/soccer) in England,Germany, italy etc. There is no way of telling whether these guys in the nfl would be able to take a punch or last the distance in a 12-round fight. I see this as a poor excuse for the lack of heavyweight talent in america at the moment.

[Kball15]

"all the best american heavyweights are in the nfl" this is quite possibly the most lame and pathetic excuse i've ever heard. Europeans could quite easily claim that their best boxers are playing as centre backs (football/soccer) in England,Germany, italy etc. There is no way of telling whether these guys in the nfl would be able to take a punch or last the distance in a 12-round fight. I see this as a poor excuse for the lack of heavyweight talent in america at the moment.

It hink its almost entirely true and history supports it.

When boxing was considered the singular sport in the world, and maybe the most popular sport in the states next to baseball in the early to mid 1900's, all the best athletes were in boxing.

Now that Football is the most popular sport in the states, you'll find the best natural athletes there.

People go where the money is, and there is no reason not to

[adamk1304]

It hink its almost entirely true and history supports it.

When boxing was considered the singular sport in the world, and maybe the most popular sport in the states next to baseball in the early to mid 1900's, all the best athletes were in boxing.

Now that Football is the most popular sport in the states, you'll find the best natural athletes there.

People go where the money is, and there is no reason not to

There's more money in european football than boxing, does that mean that our best boxers are footballers? i don't see how people can see this as a legitimate excuse when there is absolutely nothing to back it up.

[Kball15]

There's more money in european football than boxing, does that mean that our best boxers are footballers? i don't see how people can see this as a legitimate excuse when there is absolutely nothing to back it up.

not the best boxers, but ull certainly find the best athletes in soccer over in europe. thats a fact.

And we're talking heavyweights, soccer players are much to small to be heavyweights.

NFL starts are regularly over 200 pounds