IMO, the Heavyweight division is REALLY holding the spor back. thoughts?

[Kball15]

3 years ago Lennox Lewis retired and the Heavyweight division officially ******.

But before that, all your heavyweight stars were fading. Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Golata a bit later.

So about 7 years ago u know, we all talked with our friends and stuff about how we hoped boxing looked in a decade.

Well, IMO, this is how i hoped boxing would look below the heavyweight division.

A decently talented Cruiserweight division, that is probably among the most exciting, fun, and interesting divisions in boxing. Mormeck and Bell have produced 2 of the most exciting fights of the last 2 years. Throw Wilson, Banks, Macc, Haye, and cunningham into the mix...
(B-)

A much more talented Light Heavyweight division then was the case in 2000. Hopkins moved up and is still fighting. Chad Dawson is coming up and he seems great. The division is still old and obviously needs work. But it can still produce big fights and interesting matchups.
(C+)

The supermiddleweight division is very deep. Calzaghe is fight Kessler, Lacy is still around. Andrade is always exciting, allan green is still good, lucian bute is on his way up, and sakio biki who is on the bottom of the top 10 is still fun to watch. And Edison Miranda has plans to move to this division.
(A)

The Middleweight division is GREAT, especially considering the weak, empty division we had years back. Pavlik and taylor are fighting, Winky Wright plans to return, Arthur Abraham is very good. Sturm and Castillejo are good fighters. Sam soliman and Mora are at least entertaining, if not good fighters.
(B+)

The Junior Middleweight division is weak. Mayweather is down at Welterweight again, as is Oscar De La Hoya. Kassim Ouma is moving up i think to fight mora. Ike Quarey is also moving down to welterweight... so this division is practically deserted, and much worse then it was in years past.
(C-)

The Welterweight division is absolutely LOADED. DLH, Mayweather, and Quartey all have plans to move down to this division, and hatton with a one fight plan to move up. Cotto is good and exciting, williams is good and exciting, margarito is good and exciting, cintron is good and exciting, clottey is good and exciting. If Zab Judah cant make it in the division, you must know its stacked.
(A+)

The Junior Welterweight division is great, probably the most underrated division in boxing. Hatton moving up for only one fight to fight mayweather. But even if he left you have Witter, harris, Ndou, Lazcano, D.hop, Holt, and Ngoudjo. May not be teh most talented division, but thats a very exciting division.
(B-)

The Lightweights. Probably my favorite division in boxing. Joel Casamayor is a great fighter. You have future superstars in there, like Juan Diaz, Mickael Katsidis, and Anthony peterson. And great fighters like Campbell and kid diamond. but you also have Zaheer Rahim, which brings it down a point! lol
(A-)

Jr. Lightweights. Another GREAT division with some of boxings brightest starts. manny pacquiao, JMM, Barrera, Guzman, Valero, Barrios, Soto... Just a great division
(A)

The Featherweight division is also pretty good. It invites anybody from the Junior Featherweight division to move up for some good money fights. Chris John, Robert Guerrero, Jorge Solis, Jorge Linares, and Rocky Juarez.
(B-)

The Junior Featherweight division just held the best fight this year, and a third one that promises to be just as good if not better. Israel Vazquez, Rafael Marquez, Somsak, Ponce De Leon, Bautista, and Manuel Medina.
(B)

Below that there are some great fighters. Like Edgar Sosa, Ulises Solis, Brian Vilaria, Omar Nino, Donaire, Martin Castillo, Cristian Mijares, Ivan Calderon... etc. A whole bunch of unkowns and bad fighters in the mix though
(C+)

But the Heavyweight division i would grade the WORST. I would give it maybe a (D) if i was nice.

The up and coming heavyweights may be exciting, but none are particularly talented and lets me honest, how much of a chance do they really stand agains the 7 foot giants the division holds at the top.

I cant stand the Heavyweight division, its most talented fighter, wlad klitschko, is no where near exciting and isnt all that talented either!

And considering the fact that the Heavyweight division is like the leadrole in a play, and takes that spotlight with it whereever it goes, Boxing is be brought down because of this division.

If its ever repaired, which may take decades, and the divisions below it are as good as the are now, how could boxing not be back?

below the heavyweight division, boxing is what it should be, as the best are now starting to fight the best

[kayjay]

Stop it. Nonsense like this is holding the sport back.

The current cruisers are barbaric next to Wlad or Chagaev. LHW is filled with old men and one superstar-in-the-making.

140 sucks much worse than heavy

[kayjay]

I don't know why you hate Wlad. He's got the best jab in all of boxing, by a ****ing mile, and KO power in both hands, and terrific handspeed, and he improves with every fight.

Chagaev is the best pure boxer for a natural superheavy in a LONG LONG time.

Peter is a ****ing monster, and contrary to popular misconception, not a crude brawler.

Povetkin is a good boxer that can beat anybody other than the above-named.

Ibragimov is interesting, although very vulnerable.

Boytsov is the most talented small HW to come along since . . . . . I won't say

[kayjay]

Also Kball, threads like this feed the xenophobic instincts of the ****** teenage punks who now post here, so I'd say it's pretty irresponsible on your part.

I expect you to delete your post.

[Kball15]

Stop it. Nonsense like this is holding the sport back.

The current cruisers are barbaric next to Wlad or Chagaev. LHW is filled with old men and one superstar-in-the-making.

140 sucks much worse than heavy

The Cruiserweight division is SOO MUCH MORE EXCITING then the heavyweights.

There fights are exciting on a consistant basisis. Its the REAL heavyweight division. If the Heavyweight division was this much fun, id be real happy.

I don't know why you hate Wlad. He's got the best jab in all of boxing, by a ****ing mile, and KO power in both hands, and terrific handspeed, and he improves with every fight.

Chagaev is the best pure boxer for a natural superheavy in a LONG LONG time.

Peter is a ****ing monster, and contrary to popular misconception, not a crude brawler.

Povetkin is a good boxer that can beat anybody other than the above-named.

Ibragimov is interesting, although very vulnerable.

Boytsov is the most talented small HW to come along since . . . . . I won't say

Ill name 3 heavyweights i like and watch. Oleg Maskaev, Sultan Ibragimov, and Sam Peter. I like all of them, and they are all exciting most of the time. Ibragimov-Holyfield is a fight in the heavyweight division that im very much looking forward to, as is the Maskaev-Peter fight.

But thats it. And outside of them i wont watch anybody to be honest.

Also Kball, threads like this feed the xenophobic instincts of the ****** teenage punks who now post here, so I'd say it's pretty irresponsible on your part.

I expect you to delete your post.

what?

uh... no?

[Banderivets]

I just dont get it...

In Eastern Europe HEAVIES are the only divison. And for them now, its the best it has ever been in the history of the sport. 90% of them train out of Germany, so the germans love em too.

So there are a lot of fans of the heavy division around the world.

Just cause no one in American likes em, doesnt change ****.

[Lance Uppercut]

Also Kball, threads like this feed the xenophobic instincts of the ****** teenage punks who now post here, so I'd say it's pretty irresponsible on your part.

I expect you to delete your post.

You are without question one of the most pompous, obnoxious internet posters I've ever encountered. You're staggering ignorance of boxing is pretty astounding. You make some of the most idiotic comments in regards to the sport. How have you posted on this board for so long with such a narrow ignorant grasp of the sport.....


Now as for the debate at hand....

The heavyweight division is dominated by Euro honkeys right now because america's athleticly talented big men don't go near the sport of boxing. The NFL contains the most athleticly gifted big men in the world. If these freakish ****mens such as the likes of Daunte Culpepper, Donovan Mcnabb, Jamarcus Russel who combine sickly quickness, power, and speed were to choose career paths in boxing america would still own these Euro goobers without question. The Europeans haven't changed, the americans have.


##BTW I'm not saying the above names I've mentioned would be great boxers simply using the example of that type of athlete that dominates american sports.

[BrooklynBomber]

You do realise that what you wrote is bull****, just cause you are a xenophobic bastard with some fixed idea that a HW champ got to be a black guy from the brooklyn ****** does not mean that the devision sucks.

Have fun rooting for Arreola.

[BrooklynBomber]

This thread reminds me of works done by Francis Galton, but I doubt you would know who that is without the google or wikipedia.

[DiegoFuego]

I couldn't agree more with this thread if I tried, kball. You really outlined the way the sport is right now and which divisions we should be watching. My eyes are glued to welterweight, lightweight, middleweight, and junior lightweight right now. I'd take the cruisers over the heavyweights in a heartbeat. I can't name one heavyweight I would pay money to watch, and that is just sad considering heavyweights have always been the moneymakers until now.