Disgusted...

[RisAri0]

blah blah blah...Hopkins can get away with headbutts & clinches because he's a master in disguising those dirty tactics, therefore the referee isn't quite sure what to make with most it...so most of the time he just lets it slide...I like hopkins style because its not how he adapts to his opponents, but how he manipulates the action..whether be the opponent or ref...he can make his opponent think they're dictating the fight, when in actuality B-Hop is wearing them out systematically...

[Famoso Matador]

Hopkins started his carreer as a light heavy weight, and if it wasn't for his intense gym work he would have never made 160. He trains even when he doesnt have a fight lined up. His transition to light heavyweight was smooth, even bernard made mention of it, he said that now that he is a light heavy he was able to go all out and not reserve his energy, unlike when he was a middleweight.

I agree that Duran is better than Hopkins, what i said earlier was that its an insult to compare Hopkins to him, especially if what you are comparing is the amount of fouling, and the way Bernard "won" yesterday. If i remember right Hopkins destroyed Joppy, and knocked robert allen down in there fight, but i should also mention that the trilogy with robert allen was awfull.

I'm not going to defend any low blows that Duran has thrown through out his career. Im sure he has had his moments. But you could easily argue that the reason hopkins won last night was because of his foul play, it was from start to finish, I dont consider foul play boxing skill, if anything its fraud.

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Hopkins started his carreer as a light heavy weight, and if it wasn't for his intense gym work he would have never made 160. He trains even when he doesnt have a fight lined up. His transition to light heavyweight was smooth, even bernard made mention of it, he said that now that he is a light heavy he was able to go all out and not reserve his energy, unlike when he was a middleweight.

Bernard Hopkins is a 6'1" MW , a gym rat and 40 years old, of course it was easy for him to move up in weight.

Among 175ers Hopkins would always have the smaller frame.

Hopkins made 160 for 15 years, therefore his natural weight was 160. **** in the DLH fight he was almost 40 and made the 157 catchweight without blinking.

Hence he is NOT a natural 175er.

I don't quite get it, is Floyd Mayweather Jr. a natural welter, when everyone in the division is bigger than him? Was Roy Jones Jr. a natural light heavy when he regularly faced bigger opponents at the weight.

I agree that Duran is better than Hopkins, what i said earlier was that its an insult to compare Hopkins to him, especially if what you are comparing is the amount of fouling, and the way Bernard "won" yesterday. If i remember right Hopkins destroyed Joppy, and knocked robert allen down in there fight, but i should also mention that the trilogy with robert allen was awfull.

I'm not going to defend any low blows that Duran has thrown through out his career. Im sure he has had his moments. But you could easily argue that the reason hopkins won last night was because of his foul play, it was from start to finish, I dont consider foul play boxing skill, if anything its fraud.

Name me a more decisive foul in the history of boxing than KOing your opponent with a low blow.

Draw the line between skill and fraud where you want, but this is how boxing turned out to be in a 100 year of history. Fighters who turn pro know this and if they can, they will bend the rules in their favor.

[Famoso Matador]

When i think of someones natural weight, i think of the weight someone walks around in when they are not training, for example Baldomir walks around at 200 lbs but has fought at welterweight for over a decade. If Hopkins had to train so much to make 160, dont you think his natural weight was prabobly around 175?

In the Duran vs. Buchanan fight the referee himself said that Buchanan got hit in the lower abdomen, and that it was not a low blow.

I see you understand why I didnt like the fight, because hopkins was able to "bend the rules in his favor". I guess the question i have for you is, Do you respect Hopkins more or less after the Wright fight, and how much of an affect do you think him bending the rules had in the outcome?

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When i think of someones natural weight, i think of the weight someone walks around in when they are not training, for example Baldomir walks around at 200 lbs but has fought at welterweight for over a decade. If Hopkins had to train so much to make 160, dont you think his natural weight was prabobly around 175?

OK, we have different definitions, I am thinking of natural weight class, to me it is the lowest weight at which a fighter can fight without doing ridiculous weigh draining. (eg: Corrales natural weight was not 130-135, but Hopkins was comfortable at 160)

In the Duran vs. Buchanan fight the referee himself said that Buchanan got hit in the lower abdomen, and that it was not a low blow.

ahem, you have seen the fight, i have seen the fight, no way you did not see the low blow.
In fact we have both seen many fights, including Hopkins-Wright, where the ref did not see the fouls. Buchanan-Duran is one of those

I see you understand why I didnt like the fight, because hopkins was able to "bend the rules in his favor". I guess the question i have for you is, Do you respect Hopkins more or less after the Wright fight, and how much of an affect do you think him bending the rules had in the outcome?

I dont respect him more or less. He did what I imagined he would do. In my book, he is in the same place he was .

How much effect... that's a tough one, it might have been decisive given the fight was relatively close. It might also have not been decisive.

I tend to think it was decisive, but mostly because Wright found no way of dealing with it. Remember Oscar? The first time they got close, Oscar shot 3 low blows on Hop's nuts, just to "put things into perspective". Thing is you are getting in the ring with Hopkins, shouldnt you be prepared for that kind of ****?

As you probably gathered from this and my other posts, my position is simply that rough housing, for one reason or another, is part of boxing. I dont have more or less respect for the "dirty" fighter than for the one-punch ko artist or the slickster. or whatever combination of styles.

btw, had I been winky I would have been SURE Hopkins would have taken full advantage of the natural opportunities offered by lefty-right matchup and headbutted like crazy.

[GattiFan]

Some of you sound suprised?


Hopkins has been the dirtiest fighter in the sport for going on 15 years.


You thought he would change last night?


Hopkins skull has roughly the same connect percentage as the right hand he throws just before he grabs his opponent.


If you ever paid money to watch either of these guys fight your nuts.


If you paid to watch these two fight each OTHER? Man.


If I want to watch two fighters find ways to win OTHER than boxing....I'll watch UFC.

This thread deals with the ethical standing of dirty fighting.....the reason that's the hot topic is simple.

Unless your a 147 guy moved up to middleweight...

Hopkins wont really fight you at all.

If he did...you wouldnt be talking about how sucky, how huggy, or how dirty his fights were.

Which is all this guy is known for.


I wish they would both retire so guys that actually want to fight could do it.