Disgusted...

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well, that doesn't justify the fact that hopkins fights dirty, does it?
the only point made by the thread starter is that hopkins fights dirty, not about whether he should be considered great or p4p best.

if dirty fighting is legit, they should change the rule to say so.
but as of now, i have to say that hopkins does a lot of fouling.
i really don't like it when a fighter fights dirty/against the rule, whether i like that fighter or not.

read my post above, fouls you dont get caught for are just another means towards victory, and that's it.

And the point made by the thread starter is disgust towards Hopkins' being dirty (which is of course an undeniable fact), why be disgusted? if you are not caught then why not do it? If it can buy you victory, why not do it? Ali used to hold behind the head, Mayweather elbows...
Hopkins always knowing where the ref is just another skill...

[-Hyperion-]

rules are rules and that's it.

however if you are "disgusted", you should be disgusted by MANY all time greats, which makes me think that maybe you should be disgusted by the sport itself.

There is only one ref (the judges dont look at fouls), and Hop is a master at fouling on the other side of the ref. Fouls you dont get caught for are just another means of winning the fight. And that's it.

so if you cheat in an exam and you get caught but because you only did some minor faults they let you get away with it, that makes it right?????**** no....

i respect guys like anorak for example that posted he felt bad fro winky because even though in his opinion(anorak's) he lost, he was beat basically by cheating...but you guys are like i respect hopkins...blahbalhb;ah... what the **** is there o respect in cheating....

[Famoso Matador]

I think it is an insult to Duran to compare him to Hopkins. Duran always came to fight, he had an underrated defense, and was an offensive monster. Hopkins throws illegal blows every single round, he holds and hits with the far hand so the ref doesnt see. Hopkins leads with his head, He holds and pulls your arm. People give hatton **** for holding, Hopkins is ten times worse.

[-Hyperion-]

read my post above, fouls you dont get caught for are just another means towards victory, and that's it.

And the point made by the thread starter is disgust towards Hopkins' being dirty (which is of course an undeniable fact), why be disgusted? if you are not caught then why not do it? If it can buy you victory, why not do it? Ali used to hold behind the head, Mayweather elbows...
Hopkins always knowing where the ref is just another skill...

no my point was disgust to anyone who respects a dirty fighter(specially when it is so blatant....), and the double standards people have....

do i give a **** what the judges or referee want to see?????? **** no, but the people should see what happens...and yet they respect that????

[wmute]

I think it is an insult to Duran to compare him to Hopkins. Duran always came to fight, he had an underrated defense, and was an offensive monster. Hopkins throws illegal blows every single round, he holds and hits with the far hand so the ref doesnt see. Hopkins leads with his head, He holds and pulls your arm. People give hatton **** for holding, Hopkins is ten times worse.

Duran threw illegal blows every minute of every round.

I rank Duran higher than Hopkins, but it is surely not because Duran is not as dirty as Hopkins.

What does Duran always come to fight means? Did you ever see Duran fighting in his 40s (his comeback after Leonard 3?)? Did you see Hopkins in the 90s?

[wmute]

so if you cheat in an exam and you get caught but because you only did some minor faults they let you get away with it, that makes it right?????**** no....

i respect guys like anorak for example that posted he felt bad fro winky because even though in his opinion(anorak's) he lost, he was beat basically by cheating...but you guys are like i respect hopkins...blahbalhb;ah... what the **** is there o respect in cheating....

I see your point,
but the sport of boxing, as it is, as it has developed, includes a certain level of roughhouse tactics. It is not like Winky did not know that when he turned pro... and he definitely know that by the time he was facing Hopkins.

Some fighters are masters at bending the rules, and i respect the mastery of something which is "de facto" allowed in boxing (althought the rules say otherwise)

[wmute]

no my point was disgust to anyone who respects a dirty fighter(specially when it is so blatant....), and the double standards people have....

do i give a **** what the judges or referee want to see?????? **** no, but the people should see what happens...and yet they respect that????

i have no probs with dirty fighters, but the double standars piss me off beyond reason (Hatton...)

[Famoso Matador]

I dont recall watching a fight where Duran threw that many low blows.

Hopkins has been fighting with his stinkfest style for a few years now. Duran came up from 135 and fought at super middleweight at the time. Of course he was going to be slow and plodding, the man should have been retired already. Hopkins on the other hand has been fighting this way since middleweight, he was naturally a light heavy, in the early years he was more offensive minded, but since fighting Oscar he has turned to complete ****e.

[nosworthy]

Hopkins should have been docked a point early in the fight. His holding was excessive and made for a dour fight.

If he'd been punished by the referee I think we'd have seen him win more impressively as when he let his hands go (although not very often), he did the better work.

With the way Wink was struggling with the excess weight, if B-Hop had thrown more he could well of KOed him.

Instead we had a poor fight in which Hopkins took the safest path to victory.

[wmute]

I dont recall watching a fight where Duran threw that many low blows.

watch him get on the inside when he was at 135,

obviously he was not ****** and he would not have tried to rough-house Hagler

Hopkins has been fighting with his stinkfest style for a few years now. Duran came up from 135 and fought at super middleweight at the time. Of course he was going to be slow and plodding, the man should have been retired already. Hopkins on the other hand has been fighting this way since middleweight, he was naturally a light heavy, in the early years he was more offensive minded, but since fighting Oscar he has turned to complete ****e.

1) Not that it matters, but Hopkins is not a naturally lightheavy, otherwise by definition he would not have made 160 for 15 years.

2) Hopkins should also be retired by common sense, like Duran he is just so good that he can still compete. (Duran is better than Hopkins, I repeat it every once in a while nad no one tries to jump in on this)

3) It's not that since fighting Oscar he turned "complete ****e", it's just that he turned 40,
And btw Hop started slippingbefore that: if you want to mark the time of his decline it's somewhere between Joppy and Allen 3. Two years before he would have stopped both (in fact he stopped a 5 yers younger version of Allen).