Stop saying that Oscar's jab worked on Floyd "when he threw it"

[Smokin']

120-108 is ******ed. I had Delahoya winning 4 rounds and one round even.

[tito yuca]

hahaha fine, then explain to me what Oscar did to win those rounds convingly. Did he hurt Floyd? Did he mount a consistent body attack? Did he cut off the ring effectively? Did he "make it a rough and tough fight"? Did he force Floyd to fight his fight? The answer to all of that is NO. But, if chasing someone around and throwing tons of punches that hit nothing but air is winning a round to y'all, then what can I do?

[Smokin']

hahaha fine, then explain to me what Oscar did to win those rounds convingly. Did he hurt Floyd? Did he mount a consistent body attack? Did he cut off the ring effectively? Did he "make it a rough and tough fight"? Did he force Floyd to fight his fight? The answer to all of that is NO. But, if chasing someone around and throwing tons of punches that hit nothing but air is winning a round to y'all, then what can I do?

Did Floyd? Floyd was backpedalling a lot and pushing the pace. Oscar was stinging him with punches and Floyd was on the defensive. Floyd wasn't the agressor and he wasn't exactly controlling the ring, so I gave the rounds to Oscar. Plus, he was the champ so he gets the benefit of the doubt.

[Amir K Shareef]

weneva osca threw the jab floyd wood block it
oscar wasnt doin nuthin landed like wat 20%
people thought he win cuz he threw more puches but floyd blocked them
even doe floyd dint throw as much, wen he did it seemed like he hit oscar
every time that why he won........n oscar said his jab wasnt there

[satori555]

i had floyd winning 122-106 completely dominated a helpless hoya

[Katz]

People (haters) say that Oscar's jab worked on Floyd "when he threw it", so that's the way to beat him. The haters are wrong yet again. First of all, they ignore the fact that if Oscar threw less jabs than he usually does, it's because he had a highly elusive and difficult to hit fighter that can make you look bad by missing shots, so he wanted to make sure everything he threw had a good chance of hitting him.

Second of all, Oscar's punchstats for his jab were HORRIBLE. He landed 40 out of 246 jabs the whole fight (16%). Haters say that he stopped throwing them in the last three rounds, and in fact he threw 77, but only managed to land FOUR. That's a MISERABLE 5%. That means he threw 169 jabs in the first 9 rounds and landed 36 (21%). This means that the 5% jab connect percentage of the last 3 rounds was so atrocious that it made people think he was actually having some success with it in the first 9 rounds, yet 21% is FAR from effective. Floyd himself landed 69 out of 240 jabs in the fight (29%) and he is not known as a jabber, while Oscar is considered by most to be one of the best jabbers in this generation.

So I ask, how do you possibly explain this huge disparity?

wow... nice observation amigo...

for me Oscar abandoned his jabs coz he's tired...

[Red_Menace]

Threads like this make me want to stop reading this forum ... I think the number of rational posters on this site must be in the 1% range. Posters rarely have any interesting input, just arguments to support their favourite fighter.

Oscar's jab did work when he threw it. He should have used it more. I understand the reason he didn't use it more is because Floyd makes it difficult, and the likelihood of Oscar dominating the fight with his jab alone is slim. That said, he still should have used it a little more.

Floyd won the fight. I'm not sure why people keep trying to make "excuses" for Floyd in a career defining win. Why can't people admit he lost rounds to an exceptional fighter? Is there anything wrong with that? I'd like to know a single all-time great fighter that didn't have a close fight, or lose some rounds. It also irritates me when people talk about Floyd as being the top dog because he was born with some magical fighting ability. I think it's a huge insult, because he's worked harder than any other fighter in the sport to be at that level. He doesn't need anyone making excuses for the fights he won.

[freedom213]

Threads like this make me want to stop reading this forum ... I think the number of rational posters on this site must be in the 1% range. Posters rarely have any interesting input, just arguments to support their favourite fighter.

Oscar's jab did work when he threw it. He should have used it more. I understand the reason he didn't use it more is because Floyd makes it difficult, and the likelihood of Oscar dominating the fight with his jab alone is slim. That said, he still should have used it a little more.

Floyd won the fight. I'm not sure why people keep trying to make "excuses" for Floyd in a career defining win. Why can't people admit he lost rounds to an exceptional fighter? Is there anything wrong with that? I'd like to know a single all-time great fighter that didn't have a close fight, or lose some rounds. It also irritates me when people talk about Floyd as being the top dog because he was born with some magical fighting ability. I think it's a huge insult, because he's worked harder than any other fighter in the sport to be at that level. He doesn't need anyone making excuses for the fights he won.

dead on here. Tito are you on crack? Why are you making such a senseless thread? It was obvious as most have stated that when Oscar used his jab he blunted Mayweathers offense. there is no debate.

[brently1979]

snooze. This old news.

[Vladimir303]

it's a dead issue. Floyd won like a smaller guy was supposed to win. Oscar had all the advantages he needed at this stage of his career (gluvs,weight etc,.) and what he did wasn't good enough to get him a victory this time.
It was close just like the fight against pernell whitaker and most thought he lost that one but didn't but he wasn't gonna get it this time.


Also if you pay attention in the first round, floyd started getting on his toes and the crowd started to booo him and he stopped. From then on he was flat footed for most of the fight although he still had good footspeed to move away from punches. Floyd made the fight harder then it had to be because he really did try to give the fans a good fight to the best of his abilites....BUT... victory comes first and at the end of the day he did what he had to do and used his skill against a bigger man like he was supposed to.

Like james toney at heavyweight, he has no power at 154 so it's useless standing in front of delahoya and trading because oscar can hurt him and he can't hurt oscar, not by one punch, maybe by a accumilation of punches but not by one punch.