Stop saying that Oscar's jab worked on Floyd "when he threw it"

**the330ballers** · 07-06-2007, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by tito yuca

People (haters) say that Oscar's jab worked on Floyd "when he threw it", so that's the way to beat him. The haters are wrong yet again. First of all, they ignore the fact that if Oscar threw less jabs than he usually does, it's because he had a highly elusive and difficult to hit fighter that can make you look bad by missing shots, so he wanted to make sure everything he threw had a good chance of hitting him.

Second of all, Oscar's punchstats for his jab were HORRIBLE. He landed 40 out of 246 jabs the whole fight (16%). Haters say that he stopped throwing them in the last three rounds, and in fact he threw 77, but only managed to land FOUR. That's a MISERABLE 5%. That means he threw 169 jabs in the first 9 rounds and landed 36 (21%). This means that the 5% jab connect percentage of the last 3 rounds was so atrocious that it made people think he was actually having some success with it in the first 9 rounds, yet 21% is FAR from effective. Floyd himself landed 69 out of 240 jabs in the fight (29%) and he is not known as a jabber, while Oscar is considered by most to be one of the best jabbers in this generation.

So I ask, how do you possibly explain this huge disparity?

good post
i saw dlh throwing it straight at his chest and pbf letting him land it there

**Verstyle** · 07-06-2007, 07:35 PM

To make a short statement. When DLH threw it,it caused problems for FLoyd,and he was losing the rounds. I mean DLH,and millions of ppl and HBO commentators all cant be wrong.Can they?

**TRUE WARRIOR** · 07-06-2007, 07:36 PM

why would anyone stop saying the truth?? dlh clearly dominated rounds when he used his jab. i honestly dont know what was going on in his head for him to ever stop throwing the jab. he could have won a shut out if he fought the whole fight like he was winky wright.

**Easton Assassin** · 07-06-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by tito yuca

People (haters) say that Oscar's jab worked on Floyd "when he threw it", so that's the way to beat him. The haters are wrong yet again. First of all, they ignore the fact that if Oscar threw less jabs than he usually does, it's because he had a highly elusive and difficult to hit fighter that can make you look bad by missing shots, so he wanted to make sure everything he threw had a good chance of hitting him.

Second of all, Oscar's punchstats for his jab were HORRIBLE. He landed 40 out of 246 jabs the whole fight (16%). Haters say that he stopped throwing them in the last three rounds, and in fact he threw 77, but only managed to land FOUR. That's a MISERABLE 5%. That means he threw 169 jabs in the first 9 rounds and landed 36 (21%). This means that the 5% jab connect percentage of the last 3 rounds was so atrocious that it made people think he was actually having some success with it in the first 9 rounds, yet 21% is FAR from effective. Floyd himself landed 69 out of 240 jabs in the fight (29%) and he is not known as a jabber, while Oscar is considered by most to be one of the best jabbers in this generation.

So I ask, how do you possibly explain this huge disparity?

Fisrt of all. Punchstat is about the most inaccurate piece-o-**** i have ever seen. i Have re-watched fights that it became obvious the totals were way off. That said, I think we can dispense with the stats you have used in your post. Now lets address the points you have brought up.

First. I would say Oscar has a great Jab. The reason for the low percentages are fairly evident if you watch the fight. Floyd refused to stay in range early(first 5 rounds or so) thiws caused DLH to use the jab to get Floyd defensive and then wail on him once close(Although Dlh really looked amateurish doing this). So you see, it is obvious the jab was being used more to close distance and avoid the potshots than to actually do damage. That added to Floyd's unwillingness to actually exchange led to the majority of the low connect percentages.

Later in the fight fatigue became an obvious concern for DLH. He expended so much energy on the sensless aggression that he really was reduced to just following Floyd around single shotting and pitty-pat punching. Around the seventh Floyd felt comfortable enough to actually start counterpunching effectivly, but by that point it was obvious DLH wasn't going to be able to catch Floyd.

Point is. Had DLH not tryed to **** Mayweather on the ropes and instead opted to stay more controlled behind the jab all night, it would have forced Mayweather into retreat time and time again. When Oscar used the Jab, Floyd showed only two things. A-he wasn't going to stand and try to counter for fear of the right or hook, and B- he was more likely to move very quickly out of range and wait for DLH to let him lead. It's so obvious it's funny Roach didn't scream JUST ****ING KEEP JABBING!

DLH was just too strong for Floyd. The only thing Floyd could do was really wait for him to slow down enough that Floyd could out quick him, and thats just what he did! Bad gameplan on Team DLH's part=Floyd beats a past it HOF fighter! End of story.

**Smokin'** · 07-06-2007, 07:52 PM

Jabs only work when a guy is in a fairly stationary position. Floyd was constantly on his toes switching from side to side, using angles and such. That's why Oscar couldn't find the mark. And the fact that Oscar is not normally a pressure fighter is why he lost the fight. You can't just box on the outside your entire career and change up your style to Castilloesque and win a fight. It's just not in his temperment to do that, so it hindered him.

**tito yuca** · 07-06-2007, 07:59 PM

I'm actually done discussing this fight. It was clearly a dominant victory for Floyd, a very one-sided affair. Anyone that doesn't see it that way is either a hater or just ignorant, even moreso when you consider all the factors that Oscar had in his favor going into the fight. I just wanted everyone to read this so that they would know that what they say about Oscar and his jab is wrong, but haters aren't rational so they will not give a ****. Just look at versatile's post. Keep getting mad that you all were wrong in your prediction and that Floyd is still undefeated and one of the best to ever do it. Us who know the truth laugh at your sillyness.

**Smokin'** · 07-06-2007, 08:01 PM

I watched this fight at a bar. Probably about 200+ people watching the fight. Everyone there knew Floyd was going to be the victor before the decision was announced. DLH was too rusty and out of prime to compete with Floyd who is still atthe top of his game.

**kayjay** · 07-06-2007, 08:04 PM

You're a complete ******, the worst poster on this site, for scoring this 120-108.

**tito yuca** · 07-06-2007, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by kayjay

You're a complete ******, the worst poster on this site, for scoring this 120-108.

I wrote a huge essay explaining why I did that, and you never addressed any of the points, perhaps it was too complex for you, so I'll break it down.

Floyd dictated the pace of the whole fight. The rounds that were given to Oscar were more a case of "Floyd not WINNING" than Oscar actually doing something significant - they gave them to him cuz he was throwing a small number of punches, and to many people the only possible way to win a round is to throw a crazy amount. It's funny how Oscar never outlanded him by more than 2 punches in any round, yet always threw a lot more, ending the fight with a 21% connect percentage to Floyd's 42.

Who was more EFFECTIVE with his aggression? Floyd
Who made the other fighter fight HIS fight and dictated the pace? Floyd
Who had the better defense? Floyd

What more do you want?

And I may or may not be a "complete ******", but who can argue with the punchstats for Oscar's jab?

Stop saying that Oscar's jab worked on Floyd "when he threw it"