Taylor Has No Chance Against Pavlik

[shawn_]

What makes you think he will use that jab, something he hasn't done for awile. I agree that if he uses the jab he'll win, but do you agree that there is a chance Pavlik just outworks him to a Md.

I think everyone is assuming that if it goes the distance, Taylor will win. I just don't think thats the case.

I agree, I think Taylor is very open to being outworked, not unlike how he beat Hopkins. He didnt outbox Hopkins. He didnt out skill Hopkins, he outworked Hopkins.

The thing is, Hopkins throws about 12 punches per round. Taylor throws 30, if hes lucky. Pavlik throws atleast 50 punches a round, if not more.

When you are the pressure fighter, and you are the power puncher, and you are throwing that much more than your opponent, it will look like you are in control of the fight, even if you are not.

You are bound to land some punches with a high punch output like Pavlik has, and as hard as Pavlik hits, it will be very apparent to the judges when he lands.

It doesnt matter if he hurts Taylor, his head will get flung back and it will look like he is getting wrecked.

Taylors style is suited to win decisions against boxers, because he is wild enough to look like he is doing more damage, that wont be the case vs Pavlik.

The only way that Taylor can win is with his jab. If he brings his jab, Im pretty sure that he will win. He has a very good fast jab. However, you can ususaly see what a fighter will do based on his last few fight, and that doesnt bode will for Taylor. No jab.

If he trys to stand and trade punchs with Pavlik, he will lose. If he trys to outwork Pavlik, he will get tired and suffer a late round KO. If he goes to the ropes and tries to counter punch, he will lose. If he gets on his bike and jabs, he will win.

[Winkyftw!]

Pavlik wins a slugfest with Miranda and all of a sudden he has the "skills" to beat a top fighter. Say what u will about Taylor he has fought and he has won. Here lately people seem to be obsessed with if a fighter doesnt blow out his opponent then he must not be good. U cant knock out everyone. i saw the Pavlik and Miranda fight and if Miranda had knocked Pavlik out(which he could have b/c he has Pavlik hurt several times as well) would u still give Pavlik the same chances of beating taylor? Taylor wont outbox Pavlik? man please! Spinks would make Pavlike look really bad b/c he just walks in. Walking in on Taylor would be a big mistake for Pavlik since he doesnt have a sturdy defense like Wright. Taylor late KO

1: Miranda is a top fighter. He lost to the better fighter ( Pavlik), but he def is a top fighter, with big power. He broke King Authors jaw, and would have won the fight if it weren't fight him being deducted a billion points.

2: "Here lately people seem to be obsessed with if a fighter doesnt blow out his opponent then he must not be good." I agree with this, but thats not the case with Taylor. Taylor, got all he could handle from a blown up welterweight. Have you ever seen Steward so mad before. He fought a terrible fight, and we(fight fans) all have a right to be concerned with Jermains recent fights.

3: Taylor has abandoned his jab recently. If he doesn't use his jab, he won;t be able to outbox anyone. He was confused with Ouma's constant pressure, and his steady output of punches. The thing is, Ouma couldn't hurt Taylor. Pavlik can hurt anyone at middleweight, and he will sure as hell give taylor that same kinda of pressure that Ouma did. Pair that with the fact that Taylor has recently fallen in love with putting his back against the ropes, and depending on the occasional power right hand to win him rounds, and you get a strong possibilty that Pavlik could just outwork Taylor against the ropes to win 7 rounds. Also Pavlik has an IRON chin, so Taylor won't be able to seriously hurt him with one punch. I mean Miranda landed 5 BOMBS in a row on him, and he wasn;t that hurt. You also seem to think that Pavlik just " walks in." He uses his jab to come in, watch some more of his fights.

6: If you think Spinks would stay on his feet for 12 rounds against Pavlik you're very wrong. Taylor could have Koed him if he had just thrown punches.

[EMPOROAR]

It seems like most of your argument is based on your hate for Taylor. Winky applied tons of pressure on him. I personally had Taylor winning the fight against Winky by a round and I had him losing to Spinks.

What Taylor has going for him:
1) Athleticism like you pointed out (This includes **** like quickness, power)
2) A decent boxing brain (Steward in his corner, and the guy flat out knows how to win his fights)

What Pavlik has going for him:
1) Hunger (hasn't won a world title yet)
2) Power (huge puncher)
3) Sloppy, but effective boxing skills

I think it will be a close fight. I wouldn't be suprised if it went to draw because both fighter can implement a certain gameplan and win. I would bet on the underdog on this one.

[EMPOROAR]

It seems like most of your argument is based on your hate for Taylor. Winky applied tons of pressure on him. I personally had Taylor winning the fight against Winky by a round and I had him losing to Spinks.

What Taylor has going for him:
1) Athleticism like you pointed out (This includes **** like quickness, power)
2) A decent boxing brain (Steward in his corner, and the guy flat out knows how to win his fights)

What Pavlik has going for him:
1) Hunger (hasn't won a world title yet)
2) Power (huge puncher)
3) Sloppy, but effective boxing skills

I think it will be a close fight. I wouldn't be suprised if it went to draw because both fighter can implement a certain gameplan and win. I would bet on the underdog on this one.

[EMPOROAR]

Oh, and lets not forget Taylor's size. The guy is a huge middleweight. He is 6'1'' but has the frame of a light heavy. He should be fighting at 168, this guy kills himself to make weight. I am really suprised he still makes 160.

[Winkyftw!]

It seems like most of your argument is based on your hate for Taylor. Winky applied tons of pressure on him. I personally had Taylor winning the fight against Winky by a round and I had him losing to Spinks.

What Taylor has going for him:
1) Athleticism like you pointed out (This includes **** like quickness, power)
2) A decent boxing brain (Steward in his corner, and the guy flat out knows how to win his fights)
I disagree, he fights really ****** fights, if he was smart he would use his jab
What Pavlik has going for him:
1) Hunger (hasn't won a world title yet)
2) Power (huge puncher)
3) Sloppy Pavlik has very underrated technique, his defense is actually pretty good., but effective boxing skills

I think it will be a close fight. I wouldn't be suprised if it went to draw because both fighter can implement a certain gameplan and win. I would bet on the underdog on this one.

Good post though.

Btw, Pavlik is just as, if not bigger than Taylor. He's 6/2.5. They will both be fighting at 168 as their careers progress.

[shawn_]

Pavlik IS bigger than Taylor. People dont get this. They are so use to Taylor being so much bigger than his opponents that they dont really question the fact any more.

Pavlik
Height: 6'2½''
Reach: 75''

Taylor
Height: 6'1''
Reach: 74''

[EMPOROAR]

Good post though.

Btw, Pavlik is just as, if not bigger than Taylor. He's 6/2.5. They will both be fighting at 168 as their careers progress.

I am not talking about height. I am talking about frame. Taylor is a huge middleweight in the mold of Jeff Lacy.

I do agree with you about Pavlik. He is a good offensive fighter but he is a little sloppy and leaves himself open - which is the main reason why he is so exciting because he hits and gets hit.

[kericuss]

1: Miranda is a top fighter. He lost to the better fighter ( Pavlik), but he def is a top fighter, with big power. He broke King Authors jaw, and would have won the fight if it weren't fight him being deducted a billion points.

2: "Here lately people seem to be obsessed with if a fighter doesnt blow out his opponent then he must not be good." I agree with this, but thats not the case with Taylor. Taylor, got all he could handle from a blown up welterweight. Have you ever seen Steward so mad before. He fought a terrible fight, and we(fight fans) all have a right to be concerned with Jermains recent fights.

3: Taylor has abandoned his jab recently. If he doesn't use his jab, he won;t be able to outbox anyone. He was confused with Ouma's constant pressure, and his steady output of punches. The thing is, Ouma couldn't hurt Taylor. Pavlik can hurt anyone at middleweight, and he will sure as hell give taylor that same kinda of pressure that Ouma did. Pair that with the fact that Taylor has recently fallen in love with putting his back against the ropes, and depending on the occasional power right hand to win him rounds, and you get a strong possibilty that Pavlik could just outwork Taylor against the ropes to win 7 rounds. Also Pavlik has an IRON chin, so Taylor won't be able to seriously hurt him with one punch. I mean Miranda landed 5 BOMBS in a row on him, and he wasn;t that hurt. You also seem to think that Pavlik just " walks in." He uses his jab to come in, watch some more of his fights.

6: If you think Spinks would stay on his feet for 12 rounds against Pavlik you're very wrong. Taylor could have Koed him if he had just thrown punches.

what makes Miranda a top fighter? b/c he has power? Power is nothing when u have no defense against someone else's power. who was Miranda b4 the allan green fight? nobody really. and u made my point for me when u said Pavlik took 5 straight bombs. thats not a good strategy against anyone, especially Taylor. and it may also go to show the lack of power Miranda has if he hits a guy with 5 straight bombs and the guy isnt hurt. i dont know of any other boxer taking 5 straight shots and not be wobbled.

im not saying it wont be a good fight. i just give the edge to taylor in this one. his last coupl of fights he has fought a slick southpaw in Spinks and boxers with good defense and overall skill in Hopkins and Wright. Ouma was an off night. but having a gy who will stand in fron off him and who doesnt have a great defense(being hit with 5 straight bombs) would be a welcom sight for Taylor

[Winkyftw!]

what makes Miranda a top fighter? b/c he has power? Power is nothing when u have no defense against someone else's power. who was Miranda b4 the allan green fight? nobody really. and u made my point for me when u said Pavlik took 5 straight bombs. thats not a good strategy against anyone, especially Taylor. and it may also go to show the lack of power Miranda has if he hits a guy with 5 straight bombs and the guy isnt hurt. i dont know of any other boxer taking 5 straight shots and not be wobbled.

im not saying it wont be a good fight. i just give the edge to taylor in this one. his last coupl of fights he has fought a slick southpaw in Spinks and boxers with good defense and overall skill in Hopkins and Wright. Ouma was an off night. but having a gy who will stand in fron off him and who doesnt have a great defense(being hit with 5 straight bombs) would be a welcom sight for Taylor

A: If you don;t think Miranda isn't a good fighter to have on your resume you need to watch more boxing.

B: If you think Taylor is more powerful than Miranda you REALLY need to watch more boxing.

C: If you think Miranda isn't powerfull, than you REALLY REALLY need to watch more boxing.

D: Miranda was a fighter who had beaten the **** out of Author Abraham, a legit middleweight CHAMPION.

E: Pavlik throws 100 punches a round, he's going to get hit eventually, but he's chin will make up for his at times weak defense ( 5 straight bombs from Miranda on the chin) and allow Kelly to outwork him. Taylor has been in with two straight light middleweights, and he's struggled against both.

F: Pavlik won;t just be standing in front of Taylor, you've obviously only seen his fight against Miranda. His defense will be a little tighter, and he will jab Talor back into the ropes, and then let loose.

G: You said Pavlik doesn;t have the skills to beat a " top" fighter. This might be true, he won't outskill the true boxers, but he will outhustle them with his huge workrate, booming power, and Iron chin.