"Past his Prime" VS "SHOT"...big difference

[Guest]

DLH is 35 and not really shot, but he is several years past his best. He had been inactive for a couple of years before facing PBF. He lost to Hopkins the same way Castillo lost to Hatton, same punch - some said he was shot then.

Castillo won nine of his ten previous fights before facing Hatton.

DLH just turned 34, but I guess you need to add years in order to discredit Mayweather. Castillo took more punishment in the 1st Corrales fight than DLH has taken in his entire career. That's why Castillo is shot...

[Steelhammer86]

DLH just turned 34, but I guess you need to add years in order to discredit Mayweather.

I've learned some things from you, $iN...you could write the book on how to discredit a boxer.

[ReadyUp]

Castillo won nine of his ten previous fights before facing Hatton. I noticed he did seem demoralized immediately before the fight with Hatton, I think all his financial woes may have had a negative psychological effect on him. But lets give credit to Hatton for a fine performance.

I give Ricky credit for getting Castillo out of there. And I don't use Castillo's being "shot" as a knock against Hatton. It's not Ricky's fault, he did what he had to do. Knock Jose out, I don't think any other current 140'lber would have did that no matter how terrible Castillo looked.

But to be quite honest, I was more impressed when Hatton knocked Maussa on his ass with that left hook (considering Maussa has a pretty good chin) then I was with his bullying around Castillo who was stumbling around by himself already.

[Addison]

People have been saying Castillo is shot in order to discredit Hatton's win. Age 33 is too early for a fighter to be shot. Duran fought 100 more fights than Castillo, and continued until he was 50. He was in worse wars against bigger and stronger fighters as he moved up the weight divisions.

When it's November 10 and Hatton beats Mayweather, some of the haters will finally be silenced. There will be no excuse, Mayweather is far from shot...

It can vary.. Vargas was shot at basically 28..

Rid**** Bowe the same thing.

There are countless others..

Age is in no way a determining factor.


Beatings, and how many and often can determine that.

[-EX-]

I give Ricky credit but his resume is not in Mayweather's league. It was obvious Hatton was gonna win that fight after the 1st round. It was a nice body shot though. Hatton will be exposed. It can be done by Malignaggi or Floyd. Pick your poison.

[EMPOROAR]

Ricky would pick Malignaggi apart. Paulie has zero steam to his punches to keep Hatton off of him. Hatton would be on him all night. Easy decision victory. Maybe a late knockout.

[ReadyUp]

For the record, I did not intend this thread to turn into Hatton/Mayweather.

This thread apply's to so many different posts I've seen here in NSB.
Apparently, if a fighter loses than all of a sudden he is past his prime.

If he loses twice than he's shot.

It's just not the case.

[GunStar]

I think it's funny when posters here start to discredit a fighter's victories because "so and so" was out of his prime when that fighter is still a very capable and formidable fighter.

Case in point, several posters here have called Floyd's victory over Oscar meaningless because he wasn't the 25 year old Oscar and the fight was semi-close. The main point is that Oscar would still beat the majority if not all Junior Welter's out there. (not to mention all the advantages Floyd allowed Oscar) Sure he's not the bouncing Oscar of the past but his skills are not eroding the way a "shot" fighter would present himself.

When you see Jose Luis Castillo practically falling over his own feet, that goes beyond "his best days are behind him." At that point you can honestly say the guy has nothing left in the tank. All credit to Hatton for doing what should be done to a shot fighter...knock him out.

I think what it boils down to is that if a fighter can adapt and change his style accordingly as they age, it allows the fighter to still compete at the highest level, then you cannot discredit a victory over that fighter.

Floyd Mayweather is not the same fighter today as he was at 135. Does that make him past his prime as well? No, he's a different fighter today....but still Pound for Pound the BEST.

Good post GB! After watching the Castillo against Herman Ngoudjo, it was clear to everyone that is not blind that Castillo was not the same fighter we knew, just watch Herman Ngoudjo last fight against Randall Bailey, he clearly lost that fight, that tells you how great Herman Ngoudjo really is.

[Joartcc3]

Oscar De La Hoya is the most complete fighter at 154. Spinks could beat him like Floyd did, but Oscar is still an elite in boxing today.

I never said Castillo looked great a few fights ago. He caught Diego with one big shot. He looked like **** against Hatton and he barely beat Ngoudjo.

Ahh... Fake Floyd fan.

How old is DLH when fake Floyd fought him?

Plain and basic common sense.

Also if Fake Floyd is so good he can spew balls of fire up his ass with his brilliance... then why the heck did he barely sc**** a win?

Another plain and basic common sense?

Something is wrong with you.

[wmute]

I give Ricky credit but his resume is not in Mayweather's league. It was obvious Hatton was gonna win that fight after the 1st round. It was a nice body shot though. Hatton will be exposed. It can be done by Malignaggi or Floyd. Pick your poison.

if you think Malignaggi can "expose" Hatton, you will not see the fight you expect if Hatton and Mayweather get in the ring. It is going to take a master to tame Hatton, and it is not going to be an easy job.