The appeal of UFC

[Left2body]

I appreciate that grappling involves skill - but it's **** entertainment.

UFC in the 90's had a good schtick.

Kung Fu vs. Ninjitsu is a potentially interesting matchup..

Gracie changed it all.


For the worse.


Wrestling and rolling around is horrible entertainment.

Well I can respect that you find it boring but I disagree with you that Gracie changed it for the worse. Gracie added skill to what was previously a tough man contest with no rules.

Gracie added technique and skill. What he did in the early years was to me beautiful. He took on huge guys 80lbs heavier than himself and had them tap out.

But I agree a lot of the ground game does not look as if it appeals to the masses. But then again Pernell's, PBF, Hopkins and Winky's styles dont really appeal to the masses either.

Of course I appreciate the skill they use and display but its not as viscerally entertaining as other fighters.

Addison I would recommend Diego Sanchez vs Karo Parisyan to see exciting and highly skilled judo, wrestling and jujitsu. Trust me you still might not be a fan of MMA but you'll enjoy that fight.

[Addison]

Well I can respect that you find it boring but I disagree with you that Gracie changed it for the worse. Gracie added skill to what was previously a tough man contest with no rules.

Gracie added technique and skill. What he did in the early years was to me beautiful. He took on huge guys 80lbs heavier than himself and had them tap out.

But I agree a lot of the ground game does not look as if it appeals to the masses. But then again Pernell's, PBF, Hopkins and Winky's styles dont really appeal to the masses either.

Of course I appreciate the skill they use and display but its not as viscerally entertaining as other fighters.

Addison I would recommend Diego Sanchez vs Karo Parisyan to see exciting and highly skilled judo, wrestling and jujitsu. Trust me you still might not be a fan of MMA but you'll enjoy that fight.

Remember the first first incarnation of UFC?


It featured fighters of "all different styles" fighting each other..

It was Kung Fu, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Wrestling, ect.

Gracie dominated them all with the takedown and submission stuff.

He single handedly converted an entire generation into grapplers..


I have Fedor's entire career on DVD. He is the only exception I'll make - although I'm sure the fight you mentioned is worthy.. I'll see about that one.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

Ok. I'll bite. What's wrong with grappling?

[Addison]

Ok. I'll bite. What's wrong with grappling?

Chuck Norris has stated that grappling is horrible to watch.

Particularly in person, live.


For me it has alot of negatives, primarily - it's the natural move of a fighter who cannot stand and trade (I.E. Tito Ortiz).

It's hard to respect it.. Strategy or not.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

So by your views, because someone's not good at striking and trading, they're a lower human.

That's McDojoist thought pal.

[Left2body]

Remember the first first incarnation of UFC?


It featured fighters of "all different styles" fighting each other..

It was Kung Fu, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Wrestling, ect.

Gracie dominated them all with the takedown and submission stuff.

He single handedly converted an entire generation into grapplers..


I have Fedor's entire career on DVD. He is the only exception I'll make - although I'm sure the fight you mentioned is worthy.. I'll see about that one.

Yeah, I remember those. The early UFC were tournaments that reminded me a lot of Blood Sport the Movie.

Fedor is exciting but you should also check out Vanderlie Silva (was prime about a year or 2 ago) and Quentin Jackson. It will be hard to find a boring fight that has either one of those guys.

Another good match but not necessarily grappling is Cro-Cop-Gonzaga. Thats an incredible fight too. It shows have diverse todays fighters have to be.

[Left2body]

Chuck Norris has stated that grappling is horrible to watch.

Particularly in person, live.


For me it has alot of negatives, primarily - it's the natural move of a fighter who cannot stand and trade (I.E. Tito Ortiz).

It's hard to respect it.. Strategy or not.

I can believe that. Wrestling never gets the huge crowds football or basketball do (except in mid-west). Its an acquired taste that is probably best appreciated by those who have trained in one of the disciplines.

That might be why MMA took its first toe-hold in Japan where Judo is very popular.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

I can believe that. Wrestling never gets the huge crowds football or basketball do (except in mid-west). Its an acquired taste that is probably best appreciated by those who have trained in one of the disciplines.

That might be why MMA took its first toe-hold in Japan where Judo is very popular.

Really, it's more about Catch, but yes, Judo plays into it.

[Addison]

So by your views, because someone's not good at striking and trading, they're a lower human.

That's McDojoist thought pal.

A lower human?? Jesus, that's pretty dramatic..


I already made my point - which you conceded.

The allure of UFC is based on violence and physical harm.

Not technique, and the other romantic notions that get served up..

[Addison]

I can believe that. Wrestling never gets the huge crowds football or basketball do (except in mid-west). Its an acquired taste that is probably best appreciated by those who have trained in one of the disciplines.

That might be why MMA took its first toe-hold in Japan where Judo is very popular.

You can't believe that?

You better - he said it.


I heard it myself directly on 97.1 Free FM talk radio Los Angeles..