Why do some people pick others to win against Floyd?

[cortdawg25]

don't be so simple. so those people, like myself who thought that castillo "might" win when then fought, and when - IMO - floyd got that gift decision and won; does that make me a hater or a dumbass?

is that how simple your diagnosis is?

You proving his diagnosis right when you say that Floyd got the gift decision. He won 5 rounds straight for christ sake. Are you saying he didn't win 2 more rds in that fight? Better yet, Are you saying Castillo won 7 rds straight after that? When you say stuff like that, you fit the catergory that he is ranting about, a hater or dumbass.

[Kayjay's Ghost]

I don't like HW, Dawson is cool but he fights too few in between like he is already a star. Pavlik is overrated just like Miranda was. Even though I must admit he is a better boxer than Miranda and more technical, but he won't be able to beat Taylor. Miranda can't box a lick and he landed quite frequently on pavlik's chin. Also Pavlik is just too slow in foot and hand. Taylor will be able to box circles around him. Cotto will most likely lose in a couple weeks, he is ok but he isn't an elite fighter. I am a little excited about those peterson bros and Berto though.

OK but Taylor is real ****. Cotto and Pavlik are both much better boxers than Taylor is. You do understand that when your goal is to push your opponent back you have to take punches, I hope; it's no stike against Pavlik that he let Miranda hit him, given his particular fight strategy FOR THIS FIGHT, which was exquisitely executed. Fighting is MAINLY about beating guys up, not just avoiding getting hit. This is a problem with Mayweather fans, you want to assess fighters as if he were the paradigm, rather than a bit if a bastard case (now matter how good).

[El Jesus]

OK but Taylor is real ****. Cotto and Pavlik are both much better boxers than Taylor is. You do understand that when your goal is to push your opponent back you have to take punches, I hope; it's no stike against Pavlik that he let Miranda hit him, given his particular fight strategy FOR THIS FIGHT, which was exquisitely executed. Fighting is MAINLY about beating guys up, not just avoiding getting hit. This is a problem with Mayweather fans, you want to assess fighters as if he were the paradigm, rather than a bit if a bastard case (now matter how good).

By saying Cotto and Pavlik are better boxers than Taylor would suggest that Cotto would walk through Wright/Hopkins/Ouma with ease and that Pavlik KOs wright and hopkins.

You cant say mayweather fans assess a fighter by hitting and not getting hit, if PBF didint rediculously outland his opponents without taking almost any damage in the process, then this wouldnt be a problem. We have no choice but asses him this way because he engages intelligently and doesnt take a beating in the process, you cant say he runs, if he ran every fight, he would have certainly been robbed by now or lost a close desicion. One thing about floyd, when he knows his victory might be on the edge, he WILL engage, the last 4 rounds of Castillo Mayweather 1 prove this, espeically in the 11th, he went ****ing toe to toe.

[cortdawg25]

OK but Taylor is real ****. Cotto and Pavlik are both much better boxers than Taylor is. You do understand that when your goal is to push your opponent back you have to take punches, I hope; it's no stike against Pavlik that he let Miranda hit him, given his particular fight strategy FOR THIS FIGHT, which was exquisitely executed. Fighting is MAINLY about beating guys up, not just avoiding getting hit. This is a problem with Mayweather fans, you want to assess fighters as if he were the paradigm, rather than a bit if a bastard case (now matter how good).

You might be right that Cotto is a better boxer, skill for skill. Because he can come forward and not take as much punishment as Pavlik did. Pavlik throws straighter punches and uses decent feints and changes his speeds up which is good. but his fastest punch is too slow to land on Taylor. Taylor is too athletically gifted to lose to him in my opinion. What you got to understand is that the objective is to inflict damage without taking damage. Always has been and always will be. It is no good and the hard way to beat a guy up and get beat up in the process. That is the caveman way, a pissing contest, not boxing. And it just so happens that Mayweather is the best at beating up people without getting beat up himself.

[baya]

You proving his diagnosis right when you say that Floyd got the gift decision. He won 5 rounds straight for christ sake. Are you saying he didn't win 2 more rds in that fight? Better yet, Are you saying Castillo won 7 rds straight after that? When you say stuff like that, you fit the catergory that he is ranting about, a hater or dumbass.

calm down cupcake, remember, you're talkin' boxing, its not like we're talking immigration reform.

so lets talk, lets talk .. opinions .. i know i have one, and you, while inferior to mine, have one as well. see, this is the thing, i was scoring that fight and i remember that night ... it was a great one, i was telling everyone i knew that my heart says castillo but my head says mayweather. you see, i'm a huge fan of both, moreso mayweather - anyway that fight was won on MY card (see how i note "MY" - thats because i don't speak in absolutes) by about 2 to 3 rounds in castillo's favor.

was i mad about it? yeah, i hate to see people get robbed. but was i all "hating" and being a "dumbass" about it - I'd say no

i have to admit however, that you come across as less of a man, maybe a hermaphrodite, when you speak in certain terms about JUST, in all reality, another man.

[cortdawg25]

By saying Cotto and Pavlik are better boxers than Taylor would suggest that Cotto would walk through Wright/Hopkins/Ouma with ease and that Pavlik KOs wright and hopkins.

You cant say mayweather fans assess a fighter by hitting and not getting hit, if PBF didint rediculously outland his opponents without taking almost any damage in the process, then this wouldnt be a problem. We have no choice but asses him this way because he engages intelligently and doesnt take a beating in the process, you cant say he runs, if he ran every fight, he would have certainly been robbed by now or lost a close desicion. One thing about floyd, when he knows his victory might be on the edge, he WILL engage, the last 4 rounds of Castillo Mayweather 1 prove this, espeically in the 11th, he went ****ing toe to toe.

I think Kayjay meant in regards to their skill level. How they set up punches and throw, ring generalship, etc. I don't think he was saying that Cotto would be able to defeat those fighters like Taylor did. Taylor beat those guys because he was just so much bigger than them and his skills weren't that far apart from theirs. even though I think he lost the 1st time to Hopkins and drew with Wright.

[El Jesus]

I think Kayjay meant in regards to their skill level. How they set up punches and throw, ring generalship, etc. I don't think he was saying that Cotto would be able to defeat those fighters like Taylor did. Taylor beat those guys because he was just so much bigger than them and his skills weren't that far apart from theirs. even though I think he lost the 1st time to Hopkins and drew with Wright.

I think Wright beat Taylor to be honest.

But im saying Pavlik and Cotto are not better than Taylor, i think they are all around the same, all of them are decent but none of them really do anything super exceptional to make me salivate over them. I get alot of heat in the PR community for not swinging on Cotto's nuts, trust me.

[cortdawg25]

calm down cupcake, remember, you're talkin' boxing, its not like we're talking immigration reform.

so lets talk, lets talk .. opinions .. i know i have one, and you, while inferior to mine, have one as well. see, this is the thing, i was scoring that fight and i remember that night ... it was a great one, i was telling everyone i knew that my heart says castillo but my head says mayweather. you see, i'm a huge fan of both, moreso mayweather - anyway that fight was won on MY card (see how i note "MY" - thats because i don't speak in absolutes) by about 2 to 3 rounds in castillo's favor.

was i mad about it? yeah, i hate to see people get robbed. but was i all "hating" and being a "dumbass" about it - I'd say no

i have to admit however, that you come across as less of a man, maybe a hermaphrodite, when you speak in certain terms about JUST, in all reality, another man.

Im not angry friend, just pointing out your ridiculousness. 1st off, your head should always lead and your heart should always follow. Take that advice and you prolly will score fights more properly. If you'd follow that, you would know that Floyd won that fight, it was close no doubting that. But you can't logically tell me that Floyd didn't win 5 rds straight in that fight and you can't tell me factually that castillo won 7 straight after that. even with the pt deduction, mathematically it doesn't add to a castillo win by 2 or 3 rds. If you still think Castillo won that fight, then Tito needs to add another catergory "Crazy" cause I think you would fit that. And what do you mean less of a man, don't be a sissy!

[cortdawg25]

I think Wright beat Taylor to be honest.

But im saying Pavlik and Cotto are not better than Taylor, i think they are all around the same, all of them are decent but none of them really do anything super exceptional to make me salivate over them. I get alot of heat in the PR community for not swinging on Cotto's nuts, trust me.

I can feel that, most people that I've come across feel like Wright won. It was close and they should fight again, I hope. Cotto doesn't do much for me either. i can't quite put my finger on it, but I think Zab gets him on June 9th. Cotto struggled with a wounded Malinaggi and zab has more speed and power than maglinaggi. cotto was even struggling with urkal and his handspeed. I guess we will find out soon enough.

[baya]

Im not angry friend, just pointing out your ridiculousness. 1st off, your head should always lead and your heart should always follow. Take that advice and you prolly will score fights more properly. If you'd follow that, you would know that Floyd won that fight, it was close no doubting that. But you can't logically tell me that Floyd didn't win 5 rds straight in that fight and you can't tell me factually that castillo won 7 straight after that. even with the pt deduction, mathematically it doesn't add to a castillo win by 2 or 3 rds. If you still think Castillo won that fight, then Tito needs to add another catergory "Crazy" cause I think you would fit that. And what do you mean less of a man, don't be a sissy!

because I shared, like a HUGE population here @ b-scene, the opinion that castillo won that first fight? dude, ridiculousness is when you're pulling out of your girlfriend and giving her mother the money-shot, that's ridiculous.

my fight scoring technique is on point, i had mayweather winning the ODLH fight by 5 rounds. see, you can be a fan, and STILL, without having to be a hater or a dumbass, pick the other guy to win. you and yuca following me?

specifically addressing the castillo / mayweahter fight, i don't recall scoring 5 rounds in a row for any man in that fight, but since you got mayweather winning 5 in a row, it must've happened, eh?

you see where you're losing this here? you're totally discounting my stance, while a VERY sound one, because its in direct opposition to your view. but its not, now is it? i'm a huge mayweather fan that thought he lost to castillo in the first fight but bitched castillo in the 2nd one. make what you will with that last sentence.

digest that ****, and realize, that this thread is a ******, ****ing thread