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  • Kelly Pavlik - The Next Big Hype?

    By Dr. Peter Edwards - Every few months, a fighter comes along to capture the imagination of a starving boxing public.

    Unfortunately for the sport of boxing, the next big thing usually becomes the next big bust. Or at least that's the usual trend over the last couple of years.

    Every now and then, a fighter comes along to break "the next big bust" theory. Could Kelly Pavlik become that fighter? Maybe, or maybe not.

    The next big thing is usually a fighter being pushed hard by one of the cable networks like HBO or Showtime. Remember heavyweight "Baby" Joe Mesi? Yeah that guy. After knocking out amateur standout DaVarryl Williamson in a single round in 2003, Mesi was hyped to the moon by HBO. He was dubbed the next heavyweight to make an impact. On the opposite end of the corner was Dominick Guinn. Another heavyweight HBO was pushing big in 2003. The network was showcasing both fighters in order to maneuver them towards an inevitable showdown.

    In less than six months, heavyweight contender Monte Barrett exposed both fighters. He nearly derailed the unbeaten record of Joe Mesi by knocking him down and almost taking him out before losing a close ten round majority decision. Several months later, Barrett would not be denied by outhustling Guinn down the stretch of a ten round contest and winning a split decision.

    Guinn was never the same fighter, and neither was Mesi. Guinn lost four times since the Barrett meeting and is now viewed by many as nothing more than a capable journeyman. While Mesi is still undefeated to this day, he took bad beating in 2004 at the hands of cruiserweight turned heavyweight, Vassiliy Jirov. Mesi was knocked down three times in the final two rounds of the bout, barely making it out of the final round to win a close decision. Following the Jirov win, MRI tests revealed a subdural hematoma (bleeding on the surface of his brain). He was put on a medical suspension that kept him away from the ring for two years. He returned in 2006, winning six uninspiring straight bouts against no-hopers in the last 13 months. [details]

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    Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP View Post
    By Dr. Peter Edwards - Every few months, a fighter comes along to capture the imagination of a starving boxing public.

    Unfortunately for the sport of boxing, the next big thing usually becomes the next big bust. Or at least that's the usual trend over the last couple of years.

    Every now and then, a fighter comes along to break "the next big bust" theory. Could Kelly Pavlik become that fighter? Maybe, or maybe not.

    The next big thing is usually a fighter being pushed hard by one of the cable networks like HBO or Showtime. Remember heavyweight "Baby" Joe Mesi? Yeah that guy. After knocking out amateur standout DaVarryl Williamson in a single round in 2003, Mesi was hyped to the moon by HBO. He was dubbed the next heavyweight to make an impact. On the opposite end of the corner was Dominick Guinn. Another heavyweight HBO was pushing big in 2003. The network was showcasing both fighters in order to maneuver them towards an inevitable showdown.

    In less than six months, heavyweight contender Monte Barrett exposed both fighters. He nearly derailed the unbeaten record of Joe Mesi by knocking him down and almost taking him out before losing a close ten round majority decision. Several months later, Barrett would not be denied by outhustling Guinn down the stretch of a ten round contest and winning a split decision.

    Guinn was never the same fighter, and neither was Mesi. Guinn lost four times since the Barrett meeting and is now viewed by many as nothing more than a capable journeyman. While Mesi is still undefeated to this day, he took bad beating in 2004 at the hands of cruiserweight turned heavyweight, Vassiliy Jirov. Mesi was knocked down three times in the final two rounds of the bout, barely making it out of the final round to win a close decision. Following the Jirov win, MRI tests revealed a subdural hematoma (bleeding on the surface of his brain). He was put on a medical suspension that kept him away from the ring for two years. He returned in 2006, winning six uninspiring straight bouts against no-hopers in the last 13 months. [details]
    Pavlik has looked impressive against more than just Zertuche and Miranda. Basically, the truth is everyone can be beat. marciano and Ottke the only champs to retire undefeated were given a gift decision or 8 (as in Ottke's case). Pavlik will lose, but its his style, strength, humbleness, and articulation that gives fans reason to love him. Oh, the amatuer background, better defense than this writer gave him for defense, and power make him a legit contender. I am ddefinitely not saying he will pummel Taylor, hell Taylor is a better fighter than what we have seen of alte. Its DiBella who has put Taylor in with the worst opponents, the blame is as much DiBella's as it is Taylor's. Pavlik will force Taylor to fight, and with that we will see the caliber of champion Jermain Taylor is. Give Pavlik some credit, he deserves it. Don't be shocked if this kid becomes a multi-division champ before its said and done

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    • #3
      Originally posted by orltroy View Post
      Don't be shocked if this kid becomes a multi-division champ before its said and done

      im really curious to see how far he believes he can move up.... i think he would carry his power all the way to light heavy.... the question then is does he even bother with cruiser or is he that big that he could be an effective heavyweight? his two-handed punching skills could really shame any fighter north of joe calzaghe.

      when bob arum says this guy is gonna be bigger than De La Hoya (reading between the lines) i think it goes without saying that hed have to win the heavyweight title to accomplish that

      also, as you noted, pavliks defense is much better than he is being credited for... i honestly am coming to the conclusion that people dont know a whole lot about what is and isnt effective d in boxing. i pointed out to one miranda fan that pavlik was picking off panteras left hook with his glove everytime he threw it and i was countered with "yeah well he landed a couple good rights"

      if youre floyd mayweather and you can fight all day you can do all kinds of fancy spins, jumps, slides and dodges and not worry about tiring... guys like de la hoya and pavlik however are equally effective and economical with their defensive movements....

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hitman932 View Post
        im really curious to see how far he believes he can move up.... i think he would carry his power all the way to light heavy.... the question then is does he even bother with cruiser or is he that big that he could be an effective heavyweight? his two-handed punching skills could really shame any fighter north of joe calzaghe.

        when bob arum says this guy is gonna be bigger than De La Hoya (reading between the lines) i think it goes without saying that hed have to win the heavyweight title to accomplish that

        also, as you noted, pavliks defense is much better than he is being credited for... i honestly am coming to the conclusion that people dont know a whole lot about what is and isnt effective d in boxing. i pointed out to one miranda fan that pavlik was picking off panteras left hook with his glove everytime he threw it and i was countered with "yeah well he landed a couple good rights"

        if youre floyd mayweather and you can fight all day you can do all kinds of fancy spins, jumps, slides and dodges and not worry about tiring... guys like de la hoya and pavlik however are equally effective and economical with their defensive movements....
        I don't think Pavlik can go above Light Heavy and carry his power with him. He seems to be a natural light heavy and truth be told, to be a possible champ at middlewight, super-middle, and light heavy isn;t a bad thing. Also think about it, Mayweather has gone up what, 20lbs in his career over 5 weight divisions, Pavlik would go up 15 lbs over three divisions. The gap in divisions picks up at middleweight, so no shame in only being able to effectively compete in three divisions. Now Pavlik will NEVER be as marketable as De La hoya, and that will be true even if he is a legitimate champ in multiple weight classes. One thing Pavlik will never be able to do is have crossover appeal with the ladies, and De La Hoya owns that. Arum is just taking shots at De La Hoya, but he has a potential goldmine in Pavlik nonetheless. I hope this kid does well.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by orltroy View Post
          The gap in divisions picks up at middleweight, so no shame in only being able to effectively compete in three divisions.
          yeah tell me about it, i started boxing last saturday and my trainer said the only weight classes for me are 178 or 201... thats a huge difference and im right in the middle at 190

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          • #6
            this white boy is very very good.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hitman932 View Post
              yeah tell me about it, i started boxing last saturday and my trainer said the only weight classes for me are 178 or 201... thats a huge difference and im right in the middle at 190
              how in-shape are you at 190? I competed at 178 but at 26 walk around at a fat 205 but in very good shape at 195. I have a weigh-in for some of my fighters at 7:00 a.m. EST this morning and getting some of these cats who are naturally your weight down to 178 or guys who are about 208-210 to 201 has been a *****. Good luck my man.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by orltroy View Post
                how in-shape are you at 190? I competed at 178 but at 26 walk around at a fat 205 but in very good shape at 195. I have a weigh-in for some of my fighters at 7:00 a.m. EST this morning and getting some of these cats who are naturally your weight down to 178 or guys who are about 208-210 to 201 has been a *****. Good luck my man.
                im 25 myself, im in damn near as good a shape at 190 as i can be ( i played football in college at 215, i am a shade over 6'3. sometimes when i sauna and workout hard ill be down around 184-185. i guess its a question of how much that last 7 pounds will kill me coming off... ive never really tried to push it... my height would be a significant advantage at 178 but i dont want to fall flat on my face either.. its a tough call, hopefully my trainer will be able to give me a better idea when he sees more of me.

                will i have to weigh in same-day in the ams? i guess i never even thought to ask

                pavlik rules

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hitman932 View Post
                  im 25 myself, im in damn near as good a shape at 190 as i can be ( i played football in college at 215, i am a shade over 6'3. sometimes when i sauna and workout hard ill be down around 184-185. i guess its a question of how much that last 7 pounds will kill me coming off... ive never really tried to push it... my height would be a significant advantage at 178 but i dont want to fall flat on my face either.. its a tough call, hopefully my trainer will be able to give me a better idea when he sees more of me.

                  will i have to weigh in same-day in the ams? i guess i never even thought to ask

                  pavlik rules
                  sir 25 is to old to start boxing, dont waste your time.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GooGoo View Post
                    sir 25 is to old to start boxing, dont waste your time.
                    i dont have illusions about winning titles, im in it for the hard work, whateve happens happens

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