Wladimir Klitschko vs. Lamon Brewster II

[Hitman932]

I don't think they mean literally pisssed off, at least I hope not. I think they mean that they want him to get the "You're toast now, sucker" attitude. Sort of like some fighters get very aggresive when they get caught with a big punch, and can actually be more dangerous when they're a little hurt.

my point is that he does fight pissed off when someone can actually hit him, which hasnt happened in about 2 years now it seems....

wlad is determined, his facial expression never changes, if that wasnt a "youre toast now sucker" attitude that he turned to when brock cut him with a butt i dont know what was... he took a close fight and turned it into a demolition in a matter of 2 rounds.... look at the punch stats, brock outlanded wlad in power shots over the course of the fight yet when people look back all they will remember is wlad pounding about 20 straight jabs into brocks grill and then deteching him from his wits with two right hand punches (which he didnt even have proper distance on btw)

[Stickman]

my point is that he does fight pissed off when someone can actually hit him, which hasnt happened in about 2 years now it seems....

wlad is determined, his facial expression never changes, if that wasnt a "youre toast now sucker" attitude that he turned to when brock cut him with a butt i dont know what was... he took a close fight and turned it into a demolition in a matter of 2 rounds.... look at the punch stats, brock outlanded wlad in power shots over the course of the fight yet when people look back all they will remember is wlad pounding about 20 straight jabs into brocks grill and then deteching him from his wits with two right hand punches (which he didnt even have proper distance on btw)

Those punch stats are never even close in the fights I watch. This one, in particular, counts punches landed on gloves, picked off, arms, etc. Wlad was landing most of his power shots (when he started throwing them), Calvin was not. When they start spouting compubox ****, I just zone it out. When they get an electronic system, that isn't dependant on human error (or human bias), I'll start paying attention to it. And it could be done, with nothing more complicated than light transmitters and soft compression switches.

But more to your point, I agree, Wlad did get that "I'm gonna kick your ass now" attitude as soon as he saw his own blood.

[!!Captain]

A puncher always has a chance, but in this case, I think Wlad is going to come in ready to get caught. He got the **** knocked out of him by Peter and survived, and I promise you, Peter is at least equal in power to Brewster, most likely quite superior.

In any case, I disagree with you, though I think your assesment has it's merits. I just think we're dealing with a far different Klitchko team than what it used to be. Wlad will jump on Brewster, early, and heavy. If he doesn't get the stoppage by the end of 2, he'll probably ease up, take a few rounds off, and then box the **** out of Lamon until later rounds and try again if he feels it's safe to do so. The biggest difference is conditioning (Wlad will NOT run out of gas this time, even with a high work rate), though mental attitude runs a close second. Wlad is older, and more mature. Also, as I said before, a couple of years ago....Wlad's confidence went into the ****ter after the Sanders fight, and it showed for quite awhile. That's no longer the case. Just wait and see

Now then, here's the big rub: If Brewster comes into the fight in great condition, and Klitchko thinks his opponent can go the 12 without getting gassed after middle rounds, then I think Wlad might just box, doing lots of bodywork the entire first 9 rounds, without pressing for a KO, and just wait for it to happen or not. If, on the other hand, Lamon comes into the ring in his usual shape (not bad, but could be much better, as with most heavyweights), Kiltchko will jump his ass, like I said, early on, and try for the quick stoppage. There are two reasons for this: Lamon is a quick starter and Klitchko will want to fight fire with fire. And two, making Brewster work hard in the first two will tire him much more than it will Wlad, leaving him susceptible for an easy late-round KO and another shining performance by the Robo brothers.

I think Manny Stewart is probably the smartest trainer in the boxing game, and while I'm not nearly as boxing-smart as he is, this is how I think would be the best way to play his hand. Since Klitchko will be coming into the ring in superb physical condition, I think it's a safe bet that he'll be the one in control throughout the entire fight. And like I said before, since he has something to prove against Brewster, I think he's going to jump right in the middle of his ****, early on. Sucks, too, because I think alot of Brewster, too, and don't like the thought of him getting abused like I think he's going to.

Anyway, I think we probably agree on the end results....Lamon doesn't have more than a puncher's chance of beating Wlad, and that only if he's extrremely lucky, and Wlad is extremely unlucky (or ******). I keep seeing Liakovich in my mind, roughing up Brewster and trading with him throughout the fight. While Liakovich is a good fighter, he's not in the same class as Klitchko. Neither is Brewster, in my opinion.

I am willing to bet that Wlad will not jump on Brewster. Wlad never does now, he's done that before (against Sanders) and that never worked. He will pound Brewster with his jab, tie him up when he comes inside, and will wait until about 8-9 to increase the tempo and KO/TKO Brewster. Lamon is a quick starter but I think Stewart's strategy will be to outbox him rather than get into an exchange with him, which is always dangerous for anybody, especially when you're fighting Brewster.

[Stickman]

I am willing to bet that Wlad will not jump on Brewster. Wlad never does now, he's done that before (against Sanders) and that never worked. He will pound Brewster with his jab, tie him up when he comes inside, and will wait until about 8-9 to increase the tempo and KO/TKO Brewster. Lamon is a quick starter but I think Stewart's strategy will be to outbox him rather than get into an exchange with him, which is always dangerous for anybody, especially when you're fighting Brewster.

The problem with that is that it's dangerous to not throw back something, when Brewster is on his early round rampage, even if it's just good, stiff jabs (maybe followed by an overhand right). Ask Golotta. He didn't throw back enough to keep Lamon off him, got caught, and didn't have enough time to recover. If Golotta still had his pre-shoulder injury jab, he'd probably have been OK. Without it, he got clobbered.

[!!Captain]

The problem with that is that it's dangerous to not throw back something, when Brewster is on his early round rampage, even if it's just good, stiff jabs (maybe followed by an overhand right). Ask Golotta. He didn't throw back enough to keep Lamon off him, got caught, and didn't have enough time to recover. If Golotta still had his pre-shoulder injury jab, he'd probably have been OK. Without it, he got clobbered.

I'm not saying he shouldn't throw something back at all, I'm just saying that Wlad will be careful and will not go into an all-out war with Brewster, it's too easy to get caught and go down. It'll be much safer and more effective to jab for a few rounds and start getting some right hands in after Brewster slows down. I'll bet that's what Stewart's plan is going to be.

[Hitman932]

I'm not saying he shouldn't throw something back at all, I'm just saying that Wlad will be careful and will not go into an all-out war with Brewster, it's too easy to get caught and go down. It'll be much safer and more effective to jab for a few rounds and start getting some right hands in after Brewster slows down. I'll bet that's what Stewart's plan is going to be.

its not really up to wlad though, brewster is gonne be the guy who dictates early what kind of fight its going to be

realize that brewster is the guy who was taking the punches when wlad pummeled him around the ring, surely he remembers it and he has to know that he cannt take shots like that and expect klitschko to simply tire out.

he is going to try to come at wlad early in the fight and it will be up to wlad to deter him with something big in return or hold on for dear life. brewster is just too right there for klitschko....

brewster has to go for the KO or he will lose....

if he doesent get it in the first two rounds this fight will turn into Lweis/Tyson for as long as brewster can take the punishment

[realheavyhands]

if brewter swarms him like he did golata he will knock him out.. if not wlad will pick him apart and knock him out

[Steelhammer86]

if brewter swarms him like he did golata he will knock him out.. if not wlad will pick him apart and knock him out

Brewster aggressively swarmed Wlad in the first minute of the first round of their first fight, and it threw Wlad off his game plan for a while, but by the last minute of that round Wlad had regained his composure. I'm sure Lamon will do the same again.

[beez721]

if brewter swarms him like he did golata he will knock him out.. if not wlad will pick him apart and knock him out

uh,,,watch the first fight again. brew did smarm him like golota but wlad thwarted it. golota went into that fight 10+ lbs heavy without a drop of sweat on his body. he made himself an easy target. wlad isnt golota

[Steelhammer86]

I have a feeling Wlad will do better this time - not being drugged, since Brewster isn't Don King's fighter anymore. I bet George Foreman would agree...

I'm a little worried that King might try something like that against Povetkin in his upcoming fight with Barrett.