De La Hoya: Clue me in.....

[Addison]

He has fought lots of big fights for a lot of years. He's had the best trainers available and, to all appearances, seems to be in great shape when he steps in the ring. So why can't he put 12 hard rounds together. In this last fight, basically all he had to do was jab and provoke some exchanges over the last 4 - 5 rounds, and he would have walked away with either the decision or maybe even gotten lucky and KO'd Mayweather. He's never been out from a punch to the head, and he still looks fresh after the fight, even though he isn't throwing at the end of the fight. In fact, he's only been KO'd once to the body by a much bigger, stronger guy. Any trainer will tell his fighter that if he can't hit the other guy with the jab, he can't hit him with anything. He won't be able to feint his way in moving his whole body around, if he can't even touch him with his hand. So what is wrong with this guy? He simply can't get into real good condition where he can fight hard for 12 rounds? Who would want to watch more of the same given his inability to come up to speed when he was younger, and he's already 34? Somebody provide an answer please....

Good stuff.

Most of what we understand about Oscar's conditioning and stamina gets spun directly by the man himself..

The truth is something else.

Nice deductive exploration here.. I think it's time we came to the conclusion De La Hoya is a man with either conditioning defects, or concentration problems..

Perhaps both.

[yrrej]

Addison, this is exactly what I was thinking given his performance over the entire course of his career, as opposed to just this last fight. I wonder what his trainers would say but they probably aren't talking.

Cuahtemoc, I met Sal Sanchez when he was here for his LaPorte fight. Got a signed fight poster. He was a class act.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

yrrej, Oscar also got some questionable decisions in his career. Many believe he beat Felix Trinidad and Shane Mosley(II).

And just as many feel that he lost to Sturm and Whitaker.

So it evens out.

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Addison, this is exactly what I was thinking given his performance over the entire course of his career, as opposed to just this last fight. I wonder what his trainers would say but they probably aren't talking.

Cuahtemoc, I met Sal Sanchez when he was here for his LaPorte fight. Got a signed fight poster. He was a class act.

Oscar's trainers make so much money off him, that they NEVER bad-mouth him. You can't get the truth from his trainers.

Everybody knows what Mayweather does: the fifteen minute rounds, rotating sparring partners in and out, going running in the middle of the night, etc. If Oscar wanted to prepare for PBF, he needed to do THAT. Or something similar. How did he expect to compete for 12 rounds doing his normal sparring/running?

Oscar's story is no mystery: fatigue makes cowards of us all. When Oscar is more fatigued than his opponent, he can't step it up.

[BmoreBrawler]

your an absolute idiot if you thought oscar beat Floyd.
seriously, your ****ing retarted.

Notice to members of this forum: funny how posters who picked Oscar to win are insulted even though a JUDGE thought the same. Go insult him and get a life moron.

Insulting fighters is ok, but people who insult others over the internet really have problems.

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Notice to members of this forum: funny how posters who picked Oscar to win are insulted even though a JUDGE thought the same. Go insult him and get a life moron.

well, the JUDGE wrote a book in which he defends the quite original position that DEFENSE should be last when scoring fights, and AGGRESSION is on the same level as CLEAN HARD PUNCHES.

so I do not insult people until pressed to do so, but agreeing with a guy who single-handedly reinvented the rules by which rounds are scored is not a good... defense.

Insulting fighters is ok, but people who insult others over the internet really have problems.

why is insulting fighters ok?

[BmoreBrawler]

lol yeah I really "pressed" you... Bad day on the job?

Apparently then it was that judge who also realized that Floyd was not landing significant amounts of shots in the majority of rounds which would balance his obvious lack of aggression.

Insulting fighters is in comparison to insulting other people for no reason "ok", theyre public figures and leave themselves open to all manner of criticism. What im saying is that if youre the kind of trashy person who has to insult people you disagree with or dislike(following in the footsteps of PBF and his fans), do it to boxers.

[CottoOverrated1]

He's one of the most frustrating fighters of all time. He has or I should say had a lot of ability but always gave fights away. He threw away his best weapons as a fighter.

Instead of training hard he was recording some ****** Album. Instead of bulking up and training hard for his Middleweight debut he hardly trained and eat too many tacos by the looks of it. Oscar is done and not a PPV fighter anymore. This probably doesn't help but I don't feel like writing a essay of why Oscar isn't what he should be as a fighter at the moment.

it wasnt tacos. he swallowed roberto duran.

[Easy-E]

Notice to members of this forum: funny how posters who picked Oscar to win are insulted even though a JUDGE thought the same. Go insult him and get a life moron.

Insulting fighters is ok, but people who insult others over the internet really have problems.

yeah that judge is an idiot.
just because a judge thinks a fighter won a fight doesnt mean its true.
seriously, its becoming evident that you are absolutly clueless when it comes to boxing.
3 judges scored Hopkins v Forbes for Hopkins by a considerable margin.
One judge scored Lewis v Holy I in favor of Holy!
There are as many incompetant judges who know nothing about the sport as there are incompetent posters on this board who know nothing about the sport, aka you.
And sorry if you cant take a couple insults one an internet forum without taking it personally.
get over it and grow up.

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lol yeah I really "pressed" you... Bad day on the job?

that was my first post on this thread, are you referring to another thread?

anyway I think that those who scored it for Oscar, do not know how to score a fight or just wanted to score it for Oscar. Is that an insult?

Apparently then it was that judge who also realized that Floyd was not landing significant amounts of shots in the majority of rounds which would balance his obvious lack of aggression.

It is not by chance that he was the only one who had it for Oscar, and he wrote tha book on creative scoring

I saw the fight, I saw who landed more.

Sure, if boxing was called "moving forward" Oscar won the fight... and Whitaker did no beat JCC. Ali never won a single round against Joe Frazier, Hagler won 12 rounds against Leonard and so on... but it's called boxing not moving forward.

Aggression has to be effective to be scored.

Insulting fighters is in comparison to insulting other people for no reason "ok", theyre public figures and leave themselves open to all manner of criticism. What im saying is that if youre the kind of trashy person who has to insult people you disagree with or dislike(following in the footsteps of PBF and his fans), do it to boxers.

I personally tend not to insult fighters, because I have mad respect for their getting in the ring.
Actually posters insulting fighters really piss me off, and they are probably the only people on this forum who gor bad k from me.