De La Hoya: Clue me in.....

[brently1979]

I disagree there. If Oscar faught Joe Smith tommorow he'd probably still generate anywhere from 500,000-800,000 PPV buys. Its name power.

I meant that for PPV dollars you don't exactly get the fight you always expect. His fights never live up to their hype.

[Easy-E]

He has fought lots of big fights for a lot of years. He's had the best trainers available and, to all appearances, seems to be in great shape when he steps in the ring. So why can't he put 12 hard rounds together. In this last fight, basically all he had to do was jab and provoke some exchanges over the last 4 - 5 rounds, and he would have walked away with either the decision or maybe even gotten lucky and KO'd Mayweather. He's never been out from a punch to the head, and he still looks fresh after the fight, even though he isn't throwing at the end of the fight. In fact, he's only been KO'd once to the body by a much bigger, stronger guy. Any trainer will tell his fighter that if he can't hit the other guy with the jab, he can't hit him with anything. He won't be able to feint his way in moving his whole body around, if he can't even touch him with his hand. So what is wrong with this guy? He simply can't get into real good condition where he can fight hard for 12 rounds? Who would want to watch more of the same given his inability to come up to speed when he was younger, and he's already 34? Somebody provide an answer please....

ummmm no.
theres a reason DLH didnt exchange with Floyd, its because he couldnt hit him and was getting drilled with counter right hands.

[BmoreBrawler]

IMO oscar has been robbed:

vs Mayweather
vs Mosley (2)
vs Tito Trinidad

and given gifts:

vs Sturm
vs Quartay

[Easy-E]

IMO oscar has been robbed:

vs Mayweather
vs Mosley (2)
vs Tito Trinidad

and given gifts:

vs Sturm
vs Quartay

your an absolute idiot if you thought oscar beat Floyd.
seriously, your ****ing retarted.

[-Antonio-]

After watching the fight a second time, I have no problem with a draw. I had it 7-5, and one of the earlier rounds could have gone to DLH. I cant see anybody giving Oscar 7 rounds though.

[Hydro]

Most of De La Hoya's close fights weren't gifts or robberies.

Maybe the Sturm fight. The Quartey fight you can give to Oscar by the skin of his teeth if you're generous to him, only the judges were on crack or Uncle Bob's payroll to have him winning after 11 rounds and not needing the 12th to win. The Whitaker fight was close and could've gone either way, Jerry Roth giving Oscar nine rounds is kind of a head stratcher. Oscar should've won the Trinidad fight on my card but there were some close rounds even before Oscar started running (1, 4, 8) mid way thru the 9th (when Oscar still did the better work). The same goes for the Mosley rematch, I had Oscar winning but there were some close rounds.

LOL @ Floyd getting a gift against Oscar.

[Franko]

your an absolute idiot if you thought oscar beat Floyd.
seriously, your ****ing retarted.

What does retarted even mean?

There are plenty who thought that De La Hoya beat Mayweather... Are they all idiots? When i initially watched the fight i had De La Hoya 115-113, but on a second viewing i scored in favour of Mayweather, and then i watched it a third time and was undecided... That's how close the fight was.
There have been some good points made on this thread, but the way some people are expressing their opinions you'd think that De La Hoya was far out of Mayweathers league... He isn't.

[Ramamaiden]

What does retarted even mean?

There are plenty who thought that De La Hoya beat Mayweather... Are they all idiots? When i initially watched the fight i had De La Hoya 115-113, but on a second viewing i scored in favour of Mayweather, and then i watched it a third time and was undecided... That's how close the fight was.
There have been some good points made on this thread, but the way some people are expressing their opinions you'd think that De La Hoya was far out of Mayweathers league... He isn't.

I agree, although i had mayweather winning, the fight was close.
From round 8 to 11, DLH wasnt the same fighter than before, he stopped the agressiveness, and thats the reason for me that he lost.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Here is your answer: he lost to a better boxer.

It pains me to say that because I have always been a De La Hoya fan. He is smart, has underrated power, and though he has lost a step, is pretty quick. But the fact is Mayweather is one of the best defensive fighters to come around since Ray Leanard. He has perfected the “stick and move” to a point where it looks effortless in the ring, so much so that sometimes people who don’t know boxing mistakenly assume it is apathy. But the fact is when you perfect something it only looks like indifference because the action has become second nature. That’s what the great ones do. Because of this the best De La Hoya could do is put on a show of hitting Mayweather’s gloves while they were in a defensive position which despite the show it put on for the “fans” at ringside, those of us who know boxing did next to nothing.

Again, De La Hoya is incredibly talented and despite the impression people have of him, he has a lot of heart. Because of this I believe he still has a few great fights in him. But as much as I hate admitting this as one of his biggest fans, he is simply not in the class of Mayweather.

Wow, that's a big statement to say he isn't in Mayweather's class. I couldn't dissagree with you more. Even though you make some valid points about DLH not being able to beat the elite fighters of his era (some). He still fought Mayweather way past his prime, about 6 years too late. You mean to tell me that a prime DLH wouldn't have beaten PBF? I know that's a tough one to call because of styles but when weighing in on legacy's it's something totally different.

IMO DLH has more of a legacy than PBF, by far. He has fought way better opposition and won in 6 different weight classes. No matter if you love him or hate him, you can't just ignore those statistics. I admore DLH for just taking this fight. You know how many fighters have passed on PBF because they just know he's too good?

If you look at the fight between DLH and PBF, I thought DLH fought extreamly well. His defesne was the best I have seen in a ery long time. Even though you are right in the fact that DLH was hitting alot of gloves, so was PBF. He landed a few good shots at towards the end of the fight but they both had alot of trouble hitting each other.

You can't compaire 2007 DLH to what he was 8-10 years ago. He was a much better fighter then, with his skills still at their peak. DLH now isn't as good but would still beat 90% of welterweights out there and that's saying alot.

[kING T]

You thought he fought extreamly well?

You call abandoning your effective jab “extremely well”? You call running out of “gas” late “extremely well”? You call throwing way more punches with a lower connects to the other fighter who threw less punches and connected with more shots “extremely well”? You call just a few clean shots “extremely well”?

What dictionary are you using? Sound like just another biased remark.