Am alone in thinking PACQUIOA should be 4 P4P now???

[wmute]

ok, maybe you misunderstand my post... i was just talking about Rafa and Pac's last performances... if their last fights have a large effect on your p4p rankings then be my guest...

btw, i like Rafa as a fighter. Decent power with good boxing skills, it's just that his chin doesn't hold well at times...

I think Rafa is awesome but his chin separates him from the absolute top.

if you read my post, i say that I have no problem in switching places among pac, rafa and winky. i just dont understand why someone who rates winky and rafa above pac is an idiot and should not discuss boxing.

[wmute]

PAC comes in @ 140Lbs on fight night. But who looks bigger, PAC's opposition or him(not counting the rubber match w/ EM)?? It's the bone structure. You can say all you want, but no one other than PAC came from 106lbs. So even if PAC comes in the same exact weight as his opponent, PAC is still the naturally smaller guy!! This was the case against MAB, EM, JMM, LARIOS, SOLIS, VELASQUEZ, etc...

now you are telling me that looks matter over the actual weight? great...

[wmute]

keep 'em coming, bonsi!

[PROUD MEXICAN]

now you are telling me that looks matter over the actual weight? great...

YES!! You're telling me that if you use to weigh 130lbs. and moved up to 154 or 160lbs. that you're gonna look like the guy who has been fighting at 154 - 160 his entire career. DLH came in at 154 against Mayorga and put on just as much weight as Mayorga on fight night who appeared bigger?? DLH came in the same as Sturm and Hopkins. Who looked bigger?? Winky put on as much weight as Jermain did. Who looked bigger? I will always give more credit fighting up in weight, than a person who has fought in or close to the agreed fighting weight. From my personal experience. I'm a natural 135lber. I've been at 160lbs for several years now, and everytime I spar w/ a guy who is a natural 160lber I always appear smaller, my punches do not have the same effect as it did when I used to fight at my natural weight. PAC's power is no longer the 1 punch ko power. He has to work harder than the guy who has been a natural at 130lber.

[Bonsi]

anyone who have rafa above Pac p4p is an idiot

I see more comments coming from Bonsi, I am tempted to see them.

I will probably resist the temptation knowing there is useless junk hiding behind that button

I think Rafa is awesome but his chin separates him from the absolute top.

if you read my post, i say that I have no problem in switching places among pac, rafa and winky. i just dont understand why someone who rates winky and rafa above pac is an idiot and should not discuss boxing.

look bud... I (we) know you are reading my comments.

[PROUD MEXICAN]

now you are telling me that looks matter over the actual weight? great...

Uhh, YES!! You're telling me that Morales did not look just a "tad bit" drained in his 3rd fight against PAC, even though both weighed the same at the weigh in and both added the same amount of weight(PAC may have weighed a pound more) entering the ring.

[PROUD MEXICAN]

2005
Morales coming in the first fight had just lost to Barrera (ok barrera is barrera). He beats Pacman
Morales coming in the second fight had just lost to Raheem (Raheem is not an elite fighter). He gets KTFOed

This is the exact quote that I've been looking for. WMute is saying that EM's loss to MAB is because MAB was simply a great fighter who beat another great fighter, but when PAC is entered into the discussion, PAC beat all these legends because he caught 'em on a bad night, past prime this, weight drained that, in other words... What you guys really wanna say is PAC just got lucky!!! MAB, EM, & JMM can have all the boxing skills in the world, but one thing PAC will always have an all 3 is his speed. AND SPEED KILLS!! You can be the most technical boxer, but it's very difficult to apply those skills when you can't see the punches, especially when they're coming in bunches!!

Which is worse? Being one-dimensional or keep getting caught with the same exact punch over and over??

[wmute]

This is the exact quote that I've been looking for. WMute is saying that EM's loss to MAB is because MAB was simply a great fighter who beat another great fighter, but when PAC is entered into the discussion, PAC beat all these legends because he caught 'em on a bad night, past prime this, weight drained that, in other words... What you guys really wanna say is PAC just got lucky!!! MAB, EM, & JMM can have all the boxing skills in the world, but one thing PAC will always have an all 3 is his speed. AND SPEED KILLS!! You can be the most technical boxer, but it's very difficult to apply those skills when you can't see the punches, especially when they're coming in bunches!!

Which is worse? Being one-dimensional or keep getting caught with the same exact punch over and over??

What is your point? EM beat pac right after MAB beat him.

When pac beat EM he just lost to Raheem, and was farther away from his last victory of someone who was not pac...

it's called SLIPPING... you know? fighter A used to always win... oops now hw has 2 losses in his last 3 fights... but it is a rematch it definitely should have happened (I agree) oh we stopped him, now he is 1-3 in his last 4 fights, but he is great (I dont agree)..

as for Pac being better than MAB, well he proved it.

as for Pac being better than JMM. he proved it very well for 3 mins. and JMM proved the opposite for 33 minutes.

[wmute]

YES!! You're telling me that if you use to weigh 130lbs. and moved up to 154 or 160lbs. that you're gonna look like the guy who has been fighting at 154 - 160 his entire career. DLH came in at 154 against Mayorga and put on just as much weight as Mayorga on fight night who appeared bigger?? DLH came in the same as Sturm and Hopkins. Who looked bigger?? Winky put on as much weight as Jermain did. Who looked bigger? I will always give more credit fighting up in weight, than a person who has fought in or close to the agreed fighting weight. From my personal experience. I'm a natural 135lber. I've been at 160lbs for several years now, and everytime I spar w/ a guy who is a natural 160lber I always appear smaller, my punches do not have the same effect as it did when I used to fight at my natural weight. PAC's power is no longer the 1 punch ko power. He has to work harder than the guy who has been a natural at 130lber.

then train down in weight or stop boxing.

btw Mayorga was 172 against oscar 164. he looked bigger and dlh had been fighting at 154 since 2002. what is your point, if you have any?

DLH and HOP, DLH and STURM, definitely did not put on the same pounds by fight night.

anyway. If pac is too small at 130, why does he fight at 130? Because its a division full of smaller fighters? If you move up, move up, dont be half ass about it

[wmute]

Uhh, YES!! You're telling me that Morales did not look just a "tad bit" drained in his 3rd fight against PAC, even though both weighed the same at the weigh in and both added the same amount of weight(PAC may have weighed a pound more) entering the ring.

so pacman looked healthy at 140... good for him: he is a legit 130er.. he can fight other real 130er, he doesnt need to feed on superbantams