Am alone in thinking PACQUIOA should be 4 P4P now???

[CoLd_WaVE]

shut up.

what does your supreme mind find wrong with having

1.pbf
2.winky
3.rafa
4.pacman

?

note that I am pretty much indifferent between any combination of numbers 2 and 4. They all have good credentials for being number 2 p4p

what's with the sarcasm bud?

pac is widely regarded as no. 2 p4p fighter in the world today... to put Rafa over him with a single performace (Rafa was impressive against Vazquez) does not sit right with me... Rafa is good and impressive but a single performance would not directly put him above Pac...

just my 2 cents...

[Bonsi]

ah its nice to have an ignore list and not be bothered by ******s comments, Bonsi

ignore list are for *******. plus, i know you read my comment ******.

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First off, what kind measurement do you use to rate these guys. If we're only rating this from a mythical matchup point of view, then hands down I think Rafa would beat PAC, maybe even ko him in the late rounds, then again RAFA isn't exactly known to have a great chin. But, since most of us include what each fighter has accomplished. I'd have to put PAC over Rafael.

Rafael beat Israel Vasquez. Are you aware of what PAC does to Rafael when they spar, and they've sparred often?? PAC abuses Vasquez! Although both fight in different weightclasses, PAC is such an undersized 130lber. that you can't really tell the difference in size. I mean, I can only imagine if PAC fought Israel in a real fight.

actually I would be very undecided in a p4p match-up between Pac and Rafa, because Rafa has the tools to put on a beating, but he is also chinny.

Accomplishents are for Pac, but not recently. Rafa's recent run is more impressive than Pac's

As for Vazquez being owned in sparring... he is a 122 fighter... no **** he gets owned sparring with a top 130 fighter. rafa beat him moving up from 118, different story.

Finally Pac undersized? why does he come in at 140+ on fight night?

If you are right, that must be the reason why he still has to fight a true 130er

[wmute]

what's with the sarcasm bud?

pac is widely regarded as no. 2 p4p fighter in the world today... to put Rafa over him with a single performace (Rafa was impressive against Vazquez) does not sit right with me... Rafa is good and impressive but a single performance would not directly put him above Pac...

just my 2 cents...

I am curious, why do you think Rafa had a single impressive performance?

[wmute]

I see more comments coming from Bonsi, I am tempted to see them.

I will probably resist the temptation knowing there is useless junk hiding behind that button

[PROUD MEXICAN]

2003 PacMan most impressive whuppin: Barrera.

2004 Knocking Down Marquez 3 times in a round and then getting schooled for 11 rounds is not a whuppin

2005
Morales coming in the first fight had just lost to Barrera (ok barrera is barrera). He beats Pacman
Morales coming in the second fight had just lost to Raheem (Raheem is not an elite fighter). He gets KTFOed
Morales coming in the third fight had just lost to PacMan. And boo-hoo he loses again.


In the meantime pac fights Velzazquez, Larios, Solis

"So what if Erik was coming off a loss?"
so what? are you ******ed? a fighter is good when he wins fights, a fighter who loses fights is not that good anymore.

Pacman opponents after JMM:

3k: moving up from 122 to 126. previous fight: draw. previous 12 rounds fight: a loss (at 122).
Velazquez: a nobody, former 126.
Morales: see rest of post and add: former 126 (not a nobody, read the previous part of the post)
Larios: moving up from 122 to 130, previous fight: stoppage loss at 122
Morales: see above
Morales: see above
Solis: unbeaten but also unknown, untested, moving up from 126

and I have to read that pbf is gay, duck, ***** for fighting the current and former lineal champs at 147?
this while pacman did not even fight a single natural 130 fighter: every opponent of pacman at 130 was a featherweight or superbantamweight.

Your excuse is that PAC hasn't fought any natural solid 130lber?? Umm, are you aware that PAC started his career at 106lbs. if anyone who has been the smaller guy in the ring when he has faced these former featherweights or superbantamweights, ITS BEEN PAC.

YOu say" that a fighter coming off a lost is most likely to lose in his next fight"

Are you also aware that the stats on fighters who lost the first fight, most lose in the rematch. So your excuse and my fact Xs each other out. FACT! PAC IS THE BEST FIGHTER OUT OF THE 4. PAC made EM quit, PAC whupped MAB, JMM ran halfway across the PACIFIC to avoid PAC!!! When did PAC ever turn down a fight against JMM??? PAC had agreed to receiving the same amount of pay if the JMM rematch would'v happened. But no, JMM chose to take $35,000 instead. In boxing, we call this "ducking"

[Bonsi]

I see more comments coming from Bonsi, I am tempted to see them.

I will probably resist the temptation knowing there is useless junk hiding behind that button

anyone here with basic common sense can tell you're reading my comments, idiot. what a dummy.

[CoLd_WaVE]

ok, maybe you misunderstand my post... i was just talking about Rafa and Pac's last performances... if their last fights have a large effect on your p4p rankings then be my guest...

btw, i like Rafa as a fighter. Decent power with good boxing skills, it's just that his chin doesn't hold well at times...

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Your excuse is that PAC hasn't fought any natural solid 130lber?? Umm, are you aware that PAC started his career at 106lbs.
if anyone who has been the smaller guy in the ring when he has faced these former featherweights or superbantamweights, ITS BEEN PAC.

weighing in at more than 140 on fight night against someone who was fighting at 122 a few months earlier? BULL****

So basically you say that since pac came up in weight its ok forhim to pretend to be a 130, while fighting featherweights.

(of course I am aware of pac's coming up in weight, why do you think he is rated p4p?)

YOu say" that a fighter coming off a lost is most likely to lose in his next fight"

Are you also aware that the stats on fighters who lost the first fight also lose on the rematch. So your excuse and my fact Xs each other out. FACT! PAC IS THE BEST FIGHTER OUT OF THE 4. PAC made EM quit, PAC whupped MAB, JMM ran halfway across the PACIFIC to avoid PAC!!!

1. Am I rating any of the above fighters above pac? NO, I am rating PBF above pac and Winky and Rafa on the same level.

2. How is that you call what you say "FACT" and what i write "EXCUSE". is that because you have nothing better left to write?

3. You dont know much about logic and statistics: your point applies only to Morales-Pac 2. My points apply to the majority of opponents faced by pac after JMM. Do the math

[PROUD MEXICAN]

actually I would be very undecided in a p4p match-up between Pac and Rafa, because Rafa has the tools to put on a beating, but he is also chinny.

Accomplishents are for Pac, but not recently. Rafa's recent run is more impressive than Pac's

As for Vazquez being owned in sparring... he is a 122 fighter... no **** he gets owned sparring with a top 130 fighter. rafa beat him moving up from 118, different story.

Finally Pac undersized? why does he come in at 140+ on fight night?

If you are right, that must be the reason why he still has to fight a true 130er

PAC comes in @ 140Lbs on fight night. But who looks bigger, PAC's opposition or him(not counting the rubber match w/ EM)?? It's the bone structure. You can say all you want, but no one other than PAC came from 106lbs. So even if PAC comes in the same exact weight as his opponent, PAC is still the naturally smaller guy!! This was the case against MAB, EM, JMM, LARIOS, SOLIS, VELASQUEZ, etc...