Trinidads legacy vs De la Hoya's legacy(dont post on the other one....)

[K-Nan]

Is it strange that I had Mosely II a draw?

[borikua]

Is it strange that I had Mosely II a draw?

No. It was a close fight.

Man I would have loved to see Trinidad against Mosley...***in Winkster.

[WetSexyLlamaPR]

IMHO Trinidad has the better legacy. Trinidad never lost at welter and unified the division with a total of 15 defenses. A complete terror in that division. DLH lost twice at welter against Tito and against Shane. Tito destroyed and unified the Jr. Middleweight division within one year. By winning a wide punishing UD over David Reid and knocking out a prime Vargas in 12 rounds. He then brutally KO'D Joppy to win a MW belt in his debut in the weight class. Only 2 fighters if I'm not mistaken have done this. Sugar Ray Leonard and Tito Trinidad both became MW champions the first time fighting at that weight. People will counter this by saying Tito was given a gift against ODLH. I believe a gift decision over DLH, a great fighter is alot better in a resume than a gift decision over Felix Sturm a B level fighter. Trinidad got knocked out by a 36 year old BHop in the 12th round got up before the 10 count but his father wisely interceded and stopped it. DLH 3 years later forced BHop in the contract to not weigh in over 156 pounds at the weigh in to their fight. BHop older and more weight drained still knocked him out 3 rounds sooner than Tito and DLH did not get up until maybe a minute after the fight was stopped. I do believe that DLH also did get some of Tito's leftovers. Vargas was never the same after his fight with Tito. Mayorga I believe could not have been the same after Tito. Also to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong) but DLH never unified a division. Tito destroyed 2 and unified and tried to unify a third. Also this is a personal beef I have with Oscar so this isn't a legitimate argument against whose legacy is better but here goes: I don't agree with Oscar's way of stacking the cards in his favor before a fight. With Vargas it was a big ring and they had to wear 10 ounce gloves rather than the standard of 8 ounce gloves back then. He fought Tito at welterweight knowing he was struggling to make weight. With BHop even though it was a MW fight he made the weigh in limit 156. Just 2 pounds over the Jr. MW division. Some will say he's just being a very shrewd business man and I respect their opinion but to me, to be a great fighter you fight fighters on even terms and may the best man win. People will say nobody forced them to sign the contract under those terms and while yes that's true, I find that argument academic because of how much money he brings to the table. So essentially to me both will be remembered as great fighters but in my opinion Tito has the better legacy.

[borikua]

IMHO Trinidad has the better legacy. Trinidad never lost at welter and unified the division with a total of 15 defenses. A complete terror in that division. DLH lost twice at welter against Tito and against Shane. Tito destroyed and unified the Jr. Middleweight division within one year. By winning a wide punishing UD over David Reid and knocking out a prime Vargas in 12 rounds. He then brutally KO'D Joppy to win a MW belt in his debut in the weight class. Only 2 fighters if I'm not mistaken have done this. Sugar Ray Leonard and Tito Trinidad both became MW champions the first time fighting at that weight. People will counter this by saying Tito was given a gift against ODLH. I believe a gift decision over DLH, a great fighter is alot better in a resume than a gift decision over Felix Sturm a B level fighter. Trinidad got knocked out by a 36 year old BHop in the 12th round got up before the 10 count but his father wisely interceded and stopped it. DLH 3 years later forced BHop in the contract to not weigh in over 156 pounds at the weigh in to their fight. BHop older and more weight drained still knocked him out 3 rounds sooner than Tito and DLH did not get up until maybe a minute after the fight was stopped. I do believe that DLH also did get some of Tito's leftovers. Vargas was never the same after his fight with Tito. Mayorga I believe could not have been the same after Tito. Also to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong) but DLH never unified a division. Tito destroyed 2 and unified and tried to unify a third. Also this is a personal beef I have with Oscar so this isn't a legitimate argument against whose legacy is better but here goes: I don't agree with Oscar's way of stacking the cards in his favor before a fight. With Vargas it was a big ring and they had to wear 10 ounce gloves rather than the standard of 8 ounce gloves back then. He fought Tito at welterweight knowing he was struggling to make weight. With BHop even though it was a MW fight he made the weigh in limit 156. Just 2 pounds over the Jr. MW division. Some will say he's just being a very shrewd business man and I respect their opinion but to me, to be a great fighter you fight fighters on even terms and may the best man win. People will say nobody forced them to sign the contract under those terms and while yes that's true, I find that argument academic because of how much money he brings to the table. So essentially to me both will be remembered as great fighters but in my opinion Tito has the better legacy.

Very good post...

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Truth of the matter is Oscar will always be the enemy in the eyes of all Borikuas.... as DLH and Trinidad's careers ran in parallel and of course they want their man to be the better man.

Simple....

Can you blame them? I sure can't.


To an unbiased fan, DLH>Trinidad. End of story... but that's just an opinion and will likely contradict with others.

[brently1979]

ohh come on, now it's not his fault cuz he hardly trained for that fight!


We are talking about legacy, not bout boxing skills....

Oscar was/is the better boxer.

Tito was/is the better fighter.

I'm really sorry.


Tito, never came back after a loss like Oscar did as a better fight. After Winky owned him, he just called it quits. Tito wasn't a true Middleweight, just a out of shape 154 fighter.

[machotime]

Truth of the matter is Oscar will always be the enemy in the eyes of all Borikuas.... as DLH and Trinidad's careers ran in parallel and of course they want their man to be the better man.

Simple....

Can you blame them? I sure can't.


To an unbiased fan, DLH>Trinidad. End of story... but that's just an opinion and will likely contradict with others.

One must take into account the lack of intestinal fortitude that DLH possesed, which in turn resulted in close fights that should not have been.

Tito was a true peoples champ. He never backed down, unlike DLH, Tito did not run from any opponent nor did he duck anyone.

DLH was offered a rematch 3 times with Tito over a 2 year period at 154 and DLH never accepted stating that he did not need that fight and Tito did.

[aps214]

One must take into account the lack of intestinal fortitude that DLH possesed, which in turn resulted in close fights that should not have been.

Tito was a true peoples champ. He never backed down, unlike DLH, Tito did not run from any opponent nor did he duck anyone.

DLH was offered a rematch 3 times with Tito over a 2 year period at 154 and DLH never accepted stating that he did not need that fight and Tito did.

Thi

No offense, but after the way Tito went out..not once but twice.. I dont think youre in a position to question Oscars intestinal fortitude. Titos ***** move can only be paralled in this sport by Princess Hamed. Ive spoken to Borikuas that are so ashamed by the way Tito went out..

[!! Mr. Soprano]

One must take into account the lack of intestinal fortitude that DLH possesed, which in turn resulted in close fights that should not have been.

Tito was a true peoples champ. He never backed down, unlike DLH, Tito did not run from any opponent nor did he duck anyone.

DLH was offered a rematch 3 times with Tito over a 2 year period at 154 and DLH never accepted stating that he did not need that fight and Tito did.

Like I said.. you will argue it to the grave...

As far as the rematches.. we all know a different side of it that Tito never wanted to fight Oscar again... And Oscar saying that he didn't want that fight is ****** because I think DLH has a block where he wants to avenge that loss

Tito never duck anyone? How about Oscar, who went and publicly offered Tito to fight him on sooo many occasions?
How about NOT trying to avenge any of his losses. If he felt that his win over DLH was questionable, he should have proven everyone otherwise by fighting Oscar.

Tito went home crying with his papa after the Hopkins loss and Wright...
And both timed he dugged his head in the sand and retired like a quitter

[comepana]

De la Hoya and Tito Trinidad are my all-time favorite boxers , in fact they were the ones that brought me to boxing around 1999.I see them like Morales an Barrera, one been the better boxer and the other the better fighter. I think both could've beaten each other in any given night. It wouldn’t be fare to put one above the other, if not in the same sentence like Barrera and Morales. Their "fight of the millennium" could've gone either way, 115-113 ODLH or to FTT, to me the score should've been 114-114 for an immediate rematch to take place. Also I thought they were way out of shape for the sturm and winky fights I believe prime to prime ODH & FTT where way better than winky and sturm.

To me:
ODH<>FTT