History says MMA will take over Boxing

[Benny Leonard]

I am watching television and they have a program on the first Olympics. I have mentioned Pankration before, but those that don't know...

Ancient Greeks had both Boxing and MMA; MMA was called Pankration.

The ancient Greeks, and Romans, loved their sports, but nothing like their love for combat sports. Of course, their version of Boxing, Pankration, and even Wrestling, were more violent.

"Quitting", no way.

No rounds, no draws, a winner must be chosen by KO.

Boxing was very popular, but Pankration was the most popular of all sports.


I love boxing, but I also love overall ability in fighting.

I am not a big fan of UFC, but PRIDE, I like. I still watch a lot more boxing than I do PRIDE, but love a good fight.


Anybody that is a boxing fan and hasn't seen the FEDOR vs. CRO-CROP fight, must watch that, and then tell me you are not a fan.

[Benny Leonard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration

Pankration was an ancient sport and a martial art introduced in the Greek Olympic games in 648 BC. Many historians believe that, although Pankration was not one of the first Olympic sports, it was likely the most popular.[citation needed] Some also argue it to be the first all-encompassing fighting system in human history. This is a strongly debated issue in the academic community.


Pankration was an ancient form of unarmed hand to hand combat resembling the mixed martial arts of today.Contents [hide]
1 Etymology
2 Origins
3 Elements
4 Influence
5 See also
6 External links



[edit] Etymology
The term comes from the Ancient Greek words "pan" (meaning "all") and "kratos" (meaning "strength" or "power"). The term is also used to describe the sport's modern varieties.


[edit] Origins
In Greek mythology it was said that the heroes Hercules and Theseus invented the pankration as a result of using both wrestling and boxing, were the two co-founders of panmahia, unarmed combat. The term "panmahia" would later become disused in favor of the term pankration. The ropolo (club) and lion skin armor would also become symbolic among Hellenic warriors due to the famed feats of Hercules. It had numerous forms such as kato pankration, in which the athletes could fall to the ground and continue the match, and ano pankration, in which athletes had to remain standing throughout the match. The competitors could use moves like the gastrizein, (stomach trick), which was a kick to the gut, as well as the apopternizein, (heel trick), where a foot was grabbed to throw an opponent off balance. Also one opponent could hold another and punch him during a match. Pankration was more than just an Olympic event, it formed the basis for all combat training for Greek soldiers - including the famous Spartan Hoplite warriors and Alexander The Great's Macedonian Phalanxes. The techniques varied just as in the oriental martial arts according to ‘style’. Pankration systems were taught within families and many times from master teachers (Thaskalos) to students (Pankratist). Forms or kata were known as Pyrrics and single blow challenges as Klimax; internal energy was developed through breathing exercises, the equivalent of ‘Chi’ in Chinese arts, known as Pneuma. Pneuma primarily denotes the wind (derived from the Greek word pneo which means to breathe, blow); also 'breath'; then, especially the spirit. Punching bags and wooded posts for striking and the hardening of the body and limbs, through striking and herbal medicines, were also used


[edit] Elements
Pankration, as practiced in the ancient world, combined elements of both boxing (pygme/pygmachia) and wrestling (pale) to create a broad fighting sport similar to today's mixed martial arts. A match was won by submission of the opponent or if the opponent was incapacitated. A contestant could signal submission by raising his hand, but sometimes the only form of submission was unconsciousness or death. Joint locks and choke holds were common techniques of accomplishing this. In fact, there were only two rules: contestants were not allowed to gouge eyes or to bite. Grave, even permanent injuries were common as an accepted means of disabling the adversary: mainly breaking limbs, fingers or even the neck. Pankration bouts were quite brutal and sometimes life-threatening to the competitors. There were no weight divisions and no time limits. The fighting arena or "ring" was no more than twelve by fourteen feet to encourage close-quarter action. Referees were armed with stout rods or switches to enforce the rules against biting and gouging. The rules, however, were often broken by some participants who, realizing they were outclassed by a heavier and stronger foe, would resort to such measures to escape being seriously maimed. The contest itself continued uninterrupted until one of the combatants either surrendered, suffered unconsciousness, or was killed. Although knockouts were common, most pankration battles were decided on the ground where both striking and submission techniques would freely come into play. Pankratiasts were highly-skilled grapplers and were extremely effective in applying a variety of takedowns, chokes, and punishing joint locks. Strangulation was most feared during ground combat, and was the leading cause of death in matches. A fighter would immediately raise his arm in defeat once his opponent's forearm had secured a firm grip across the windpipe or carotid artery (though there are stories of fighters who chose to die rather than surrender.)

If there was no winner by sunset, the judges would declare Klimax and the fighters would start taking alternating undefended blows until one was defeated.


A bronze smaller reproduction in Munich of a Roman marble after a 3rd c.BC Greek depiction of pankratists grappling and strikingAncient sculptures and pottery paintings depicting nude pankratiasts show blade-like hands and crouches reminiscent of modern fighting systems.

The feats of the ancient pankratiasts became legendary in the annals of Greek athletics. Stories abound of past champions and masters who were considered invincible beings. Arrichion, Dioxippus and Polydamas are among the most highly-recognized names, their accomplishments defying the odds by besting multiple armed opponents in life-and-death combat.

Among pankration fighters, Dioxippus was the most famous. He won several Olympic games as no one dared challenge him, became friends with Alexander the Great and was challenged by one of Alexander's soldiers named Coragus who fought with weapons and full armour, but was still defeated by the almost unarmed Dioxippus, whose only weapon was a club. Later, the ashamed Macedonians framed Dioxippus for theft, after having introduced a golden cup under his pillow, which led him to commit suicide.

In the lead-up to the 2004 Athens Olympic Games, a modern version of pankration (not naked, usually wearing only shorts or a type of loin cloth, sometimes also T-shirts) was tipped as being a new sport in the Olympiad, especially due to its being an event in the ancient games. However, its application (along with that of inline skating) was not approved. Rumours were that it was rejected due to its inherently violent nature, even though the modern version is significantly less violent than the original, and like boxing and wrestling, also ancient Olympic sports, there is an international set of humane rules governing the modern sport.

[edit] Influence
Because of Alexander the Great's impact on the Middle East and India, there is a belief by some that cultural exchange may have occurred in these civilizations. It has been suggested that the fighting systems of India were influenced by the invasions of Alexander, but this has not been substantiated by firm scientific evidence. It is still unknown what cultural influence he may have had on India. A thorough anthropological study of this history would be required.

Pankration's influence on modern culture is still debatable as the modern version of Pankration is not the original form as practiced by the ancient Greeks. The original ancient Greek form of Pankration was not fully transmitted to later generations due to the fall of the Greek and Roman civilizations and the subsequent European Dark Ages. Most modern versions of Pankration are influenced by Western boxing, catch and freestyle wrestling, ancient Greek artifacts (i.e. pottery, vases, sculptures, writings), as well as East Asian martial arts like karate, kung-fu, jujitsu, and muay thai.

Advocates for the sport have formed a US Pankration Team, and it is possible that a modern version of the sport could be introduced at the Olympics in the future.

Some modern pankration groups are seeking to re-introduce classical Hellenistic culture into contemporary martial arts (sport, athleticism, philosophy, ethics, and all round personal development). One such system of "contemporary" Pankration, known as "Mu Tau Pankration," was founded by Demetrios "Jim" Arvanitis in the latter half of the 20th Century. The first modern palaistra (school) was established in 1971.

Mr. Arvanitis has published three non-fictional books on modern pankration: MU TAU: The Modern Greek Karate, Todd & Honeywell, NY, 1979; MU TAU PANKRATION: Volume 1/Concepts and Skills of "All-Powers" Combat, Spartan Publications, Boston, MA, 1997; PANKRATION: The Traditional Greek Combat Sport and Modern Mixed Martial Art, Paladin Press, Boulder, CO, 2003.

[K-Nan]

Hmmm... I don't really care, knowing that it may become a bigger MAINSTREAM attraction. I'm happy knowing that nothing will replace boxing, for me.

Who the **** is history, anyway?

[Benny Leonard]

History repeats itself.

MMA resembles a street-fight, much more than boxing.

I am not a big fan of the wrestling/grappling.

Boxing should lower the gloves to 4 oz, or no gloves at all.

Boxing will not die, but it will have to be competitive to keep up.

It will be like the NFL vs. MLB or NBA

It's a shame the NHL has taken a huge hit. I was never a big fan of the sport, at least not watching it on television, but I did hear it is the best sport live. NHL players are tougher than MLB, NBA, and maybe even NFL. I give them credit.

[Derranged_]

The biggest 'turn-off' to me for mma is that it's not a gentlemen sport like boxing. I really am not keen to a sport where it's encouraged to beat a man when he down, unconscious, and defensless.

[Welter_Skelter]

Hmmm and what History are you basing this on...(not going to read your novel sorry)
Because as far as any history I know..MMA is new .. boxing as we know it is just a little over 100 years old.. In fact most organised sports were invented in the last 200 years..
SO what history are you basing this on? surely not EARTHS...

[Benny Leonard]

The biggest 'turn-off' to me for mma is that it's not a gentlemen sport like boxing. I really am not keen to a sport where it's encouraged to beat a man when he down, unconscious, and defensless.

We call this hypocrisy.

Tell that to the people that get knocked out, go to the hospital, lives are ruined, and even can die.

I have to go, talk to everybody later.

[Southpaw Stinger]

I don't believe this to be the case. I will always stick with boxing, I can't stand MMA and I am sure there are plenty of other people who feel same as I do. I don't know anyone who likes MMA but I know many who like boxing. The gyms in my area are full of young talent, boxing following and viewing is rising in this country so all this MMA will take over bull**** is pure hype nonsense.

Both are seperate sports that can coinsist with each other. Not everyone likes to see lots of rolling around floor action and elbowing a guy when he's down. I don't consider somthing like that a sport. History says MMA will die because the gladiators did....

[The Fix]

History repeats itself.

MMA resembles a street-fight, much more than boxing.

I am not a big fan of the wrestling/grappling.

Boxing should lower the gloves to 4 oz, or no gloves at all.

Boxing will not die, but it will have to be competitive to keep up.

It will be like the NFL vs. MLB or NBA

It's a shame the NHL has taken a huge hit. I was never a big fan of the sport, at least not watching it on television, but I did hear it is the best sport live. NHL players are tougher than MLB, NBA, and maybe even NFL. I give them credit.

that would make for less punches per round..... boxers would fear breaking thier hands. it would pretty much wipe out the entire heavyweight division, boxing's most important division. those guys punch way to hard to fight with no gloves and its slow as it is, imagine them throwing like 3 or 4 punches per round.

[Benny Leonard]

Hmmm and what History are you basing this on...(not going to read your novel sorry)
Because as far as any history I know..MMA is new .. boxing as we know it is just a little over 100 years old.. In fact most organised sports were invented in the last 200 years..
SO what history are you basing this on? surely not EARTHS...

OK, this will be the last before I leave.

Obviously you don't read much, that is OK.

I guess by your thinking, War is new.

There are not only writing on boxing, wrestling, and Pankration, but their are statues and painints, like

Ancient city of Santorini



Famous ancient statue