Hall-of-Famer Thinks Evander Holyfield is Anything But 'The Real Deal'

[toyboy33]

After looking at the two Holyfield pics I think he cheated. I can't really say if Roy blatantly doped the whole time or not. One thing I do know....if you start a witch hunt there will be plenty of boxers in trouble.

[Bucktown Beast]

GUSTAV FRISTENSKY, 6 foot, 220 pounds







GEORGE HACKENSCHMIDT

Big strong guys with good genes and muscle development...

But put them next to Jay Cutler and do you think they are in the same league? Stratosphere even?

I'm a big bodybuilding fan, especially of the early years...Sandow, Reg Park, LArry Scott etc...but those guys can't possibly mess with the super steroidally induced modern bodybulder.

[Kid Achilles]

Well, right. But put any of these today's in that era, using their training methods and their knowledge of nutrition, and not using any oharmaceuticals, hell not even protein powder, and they would be comparable to the old guys.

To me those guys look a lot stronger P4P. Their muscles look denser than most contemporary bodybuilders who have a "hollow" inflated look.

[Benny Leonard]

Big strong guys with good genes and muscle development...

But put them next to Jay Cutler and do you think they are in the same league? Stratosphere even?

I'm a big bodybuilding fan, especially of the early years...Sandow, Reg Park, LArry Scott etc...but those guys can't possibly mess with the super steroidally induced modern bodybulder.

well I was showing that good genes can still produce muscle, something people seem to forget in this new age of fat/lazy people who never seen a muscle on their body and suspect everybody else that has muscles, that they use steroids.

For the Cutler comment, you can't compare because Cutler and the rest are known steroid users.

[Bucktown Beast]

Well, right. But put any of these today's in that era, using their training methods and their knowledge of nutrition, and not using any oharmaceuticals, hell not even protein powder, and they would be comparable to the old guys.

To me those guys look a lot stronger P4P. Their muscles look denser than most contemporary bodybuilders who have a "hollow" inflated look.

Kid Achilles, are you really a 90 year old man? lol

I've never seen someone so pro-old school. Not a bad thing, just an observation.

[Benny Leonard]

Well, right. But put any of these today's in that era, using their training methods and their knowledge of nutrition, and not using any oharmaceuticals, hell not even protein powder, and they would be comparable to the old guys.

To me those guys look a lot stronger P4P. Their muscles look denser than most contemporary bodybuilders who have a "hollow" inflated look.

Did you know that there was a study that stated the male hormone testosterone is lowered in today's era amongst the average male.

Tougher times and circumstances increase hormone levels.

This is also why they found that military soldiers have higher testosterone levels.

I remember talking with a few teachers about the Greek and Roman Statues and one mentioned, "That is just Art, they didn't look like that"...I said "really, how did they know to carve such a physique?"

The Greeks did tend to exaggerate and make someone look better, however, I read the Romans didn't do this.


We do have a lot of benefits in today's world however.

[Kid Achilles]

It's funny you ask because I'm extremely ******* and progressive politically (I don't think I'd be able to survive in the 40's or 50's....60's woulda been awesome however ), but when it comes to athletics I've always like the older guys.

I just have more faith in mental strength, endurance, and cleverness over speed and flash. Substance over style, and all that.

[monkeyboy]

Noone has a problem with muscles per se. The problem lies with athletes who lead a very high cardiovascular lifestyle. Muscle works in very specific ways. Why do you think the smaller fighters are way faster? High cardiovascular training and high speed movement as is necessary in boxing is incompatible with muscular bulking up.
Truly big fighters like Foreman were never small. Lewis could not be much smaller than he is. Wlad is lean and despite having fairly decent sized arms has no 'bulk' to him.
Briggs bulges and can barely move. He might just be training with weights and therefore has no stamina or speed. No steroids needed.
But Holyfield went from lean and slim and fast to huge and bulky and still quite fast.
That I find very hard to accept.
He is innocent in a court of law but in my opinion he has used steroids. One cannot have a high cardiovascular rate and still carry huge, bulky muscle.

[brownpimp88]

It's funny you ask because I'm extremely ******* and progressive politically (I don't think I'd be able to survive in the 40's or 50's....60's woulda been awesome however ), but when it comes to athletics I've always like the older guys.

I just have more faith in mental strength, endurance, and cleverness over speed and flash. Substance over style, and all that.

You can like the old guys as much as you want, i just hope you admit pernell is better than gans and benny, cuz he is.

[cortdawg25]

Noone has a problem with muscles per se. The problem lies with athletes who lead a very high cardiovascular lifestyle. Muscle works in very specific ways. Why do you think the smaller fighters are way faster? High cardiovascular training and high speed movement as is necessary in boxing is incompatible with muscular bulking up.
Truly big fighters like Foreman were never small. Lewis could not be much smaller than he is. Wlad is lean and despite having fairly decent sized arms has no 'bulk' to him.
Briggs bulges and can barely move. He might just be training with weights and therefore has no stamina or speed. No steroids needed.
But Holyfield went from lean and slim and fast to huge and bulky and still quite fast.
That I find very hard to accept.
He is innocent in a court of law but in my opinion he has used steroids. One cannot have a high cardiovascular rate and still carry huge, bulky muscle.

Oh yeah, tell that to the NFL RB!!! Just because the the HW division isn't as athletic as it use to be doesn't mean that past greats that bulked up with age are on steroids. There is not 1 positive test of steroids on Evander's record. Case closed!!