Hall-of-Famer Thinks Evander Holyfield is Anything But 'The Real Deal'

[Bucktown Beast]

And what about Archie Moore who fought well into his 40s?

And Foreman...

I would say its more likely than not that Holy juiced at one time or another.

Some food for thought, look at all boxers accused of juicing, and they all had strict weight lifting regimens...Mosley, Toney, Holyfield, Jones. And just remember that when you are juicing, lifting weights is a MUST. Otherwise you get minimal if zero benefit from it.

Not saying all boxers who lift weights are juicing, but all juicers must lift weights.

[Benny Leonard]

And Foreman...

I would say its more likely than not that Holy juiced at one time or another.

Some food for thought, look at all boxers accused of juicing, and they all had strict weight lifting regimens...Mosley, Toney, Holyfield, Jones. And just remember that when you are juicing, lifting weights is a MUST. Otherwise you get minimal if zero benefit from it.

Not saying all boxers who lift weights are juicing, but all juicers must lift weights.

People still use steroids for recovery, don't forget that.

I wouldn't count lifting weights as a sure sign of steroid use. I read John L. Sullivan used to lift weights after getting advice from a strongman in the circus.

Primo Carnera was a strongman, built like a bull.

Many bodybuilders have great muscular bodies without the use of steroids. It's a shame because many would think just by looking at them that they must be on Juice.

[Hitman932]

And what about Archie Moore who fought well into his 40s?

What about Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens?

Ever hear of Satchel Paige?

yeah ive heard of satchel paige.... maybe you noticed that all those guys you listed are PITCHERS... not everyday players..... roger clemens only plays half a season and even then he only plays every fifth day... duh

archie moore..... boxed into his 40's... cause he had to

lost every significant fight he had after the age of 39... so he by no means had success in his forties...

citing george foreman as an example is pointless also... he is quite possibly the greatest physical specimen to ever walk the earth....

evander holyfield isnt even a real heavyweight, yet he is fighting on at the same age that george was when people (mistakenly) thought he was a sideshow

[titoi]

Evander was a great undersized champion who fought his heart out in some of the best boxing exhibition I have seen. He is 1 of the reasons why we complain about the HW division today and in the same sentence ridicule him. I don't understand it, there is not 1 single positive steroid test on his record before or after a fight, never has he failed a test!

Cortdawg, you make a great point about "innocent until proven guilty" and I agree absolutely that Holyfield has the heart of a champion.

But I also don't think there's really any doubt (to me!) about his steroid use. He just wasn't such a big guy and I can't find any other way to explain his phenomenal growth. Fully grown athletes in their prime don't just magically layer on an additional 20-30% of their body mass in pure muscle without some help. So while I agree in principle with your sentiment about innocence, the fact that Holyfield was never caught is to me more an indictment of the sport and the screening procedures they have than an iron-clad indication of his innocence.

[Bucktown Beast]

Many bodybuilders have great muscular bodies without the use of steroids.

Benny no offense but that is very naive. 100% of competetive professional bodybuilders take steroids.

People still use steroids for recovery, don't forget that.

I wouldn't count lifting weights as a sure sign of steroid use. I read John L. Sullivan used to lift weights after getting advice from a strongman in the circus.

Primo Carnera was a strongman, built like a bull.

I think maybe you misread what I said...I said that lifting weights for a boxer isn't a sign of steroid use but those that DO use steroids have to lift weights. So if you suspect a boxer of juicing and hes lifting weights, well those two go hand in hand. I'm not talking about the average Joe, anyone can lift weights all naturally. But its a whole different element when athletes who do the kind of training that boxers do are lifting weights on top of that.

But steroids weren't even around with Carnera and Sullivan were alive.

[Benny Leonard]

yeah ive heard of satchel paige.... maybe you noticed that all those guys you listed are PITCHERS... not everyday players..... roger clemens only plays half a season and even then he only plays every fifth day... duh

archie moore..... boxed into his 40's... cause he had to

lost every significant fight he had after the age of 39... so he by no means had success in his forties...

citing george foreman as an example is pointless also... he is quite possibly the greatest physical specimen to ever walk the earth....

evander holyfield isnt even a real heavyweight, yet he is fighting on at the same age that george was when people (mistakenly) thought he was a sideshow

Well I don't see Holyfield winning big fights either.

For Foreman, that guy was a freak, but I think people take it a bit to far. He wasn't as good physically as he was in his prime, but motha of god was he a freak of nature. You see the punishment he was able to take even into his 40's, crazy. Given he did take a lot of time off, but even still, the body usually falls off the charts when you stop athletics. Even when he supposedly didn't put on a glove for many years, he looked big, and I am not talking about fat.

I am not saying Holyfield wasn't on steroids, but we need more proof.

[Benny Leonard]

Benny no offense but that is very naive. 100% of competetive professional bodybuilders take steroids.



I think maybe you misread what I said...I said that lifting weights for a boxer isn't a sign of steroid use but those that DO use steroids have to lift weights. So if you suspect a boxer of juicing and hes lifting weights, well those two go hand in hand. I'm not talking about the average Joe, anyone can lift weights all naturally. But its a whole different element when athletes who do the kind of training that boxers do are lifting weights on top of that.

But steroids weren't even around with Carnera and Sullivan were alive.

But aren't we going to far and assuming based on someone's body?

let me start with this freak of nature, Primo



Eugene Sandow at 19 years old



Sandow a bit later

[Benny Leonard]

GUSTAV FRISTENSKY, 6 foot, 220 pounds







GEORGE HACKENSCHMIDT

[dino]

i will say that some products that are legal might have some ingridents in it thats illegal and when your tested it may come up

[Benny Leonard]

WLADEK ZBYSZKO, more of a strongman type


The great Polish strongman and wrestler. At the time of this photograph in 1920, he had the following measurements: neck 22", chest 55", biceps 22", forearm 18", wrist 13", thigh 31", calf 19". Not only was his brother a wrestler and strongman, but some of his descendants were professional wrestlers, as well.

JOE TORTOREA


ARTHUR SAXON


Carl Busch
circa 1900