Hall-of-Famer Thinks Evander Holyfield is Anything But 'The Real Deal'

[titoi]

Honestly, the gains aren't that impressive.

OK. We disagree.

Let's say some arbitrary unnamed boxer did use steroids during their career. How would you feel about them being in the HOF?

[beez721]

Roy tested positive one time for a not so huge amount, against Richard Hall. This positive test could be explained by a variety of things other than rrrroid usage for the purpose of gaining an advantage. And why the hell would anyone feel the need to juice vs Hall?

Don't overstate the issue.

sounds like your understating the issue. just becuz hall was a weak opponent means jones wasnt taking steroids? people take them for a variety of different reasons

[Benny Leonard]

OK. We disagree.

Let's say some arbitrary unnamed boxer did use steroids during their career. How would you feel about them being in the HOF?

It depends:
If he built his HOF career up first, then got older, took steroids to keep boxing, then I would still put him in the Hall, but make sure it is known what he did. After all, Humans make mistakes and fall under pressure, even the best of us. Or maybe those that take steroids in such cases should be in a back-room, seperate from the "True" HOF. I don't know, since how can we prove that none of the other HOF boxers ever cheated?
You don't have to be on steroids to cheat. There are lots of other drugs that have been around for a while, not to mention other ways of cheating to win.

Now, if you have been juicing your whole career, your ass is gone.

[cortdawg25]

For nearly two decades, Evander Holyfield’s name was synonymous with professional boxing. With a chiseled body, warm personality and in-ring prowess, the man nicknamed “The Real Deal” proved to many to be one of boxing’s authentic characters. Not everyone was sold though. In fact, some, including a current Hall of Famer and former Holyfield opponent, allege that Evander was anything but real and say that his link to an Alabama pharmacy accused of selling steroids is proof.

In an exclusive interview last week, International Boxing Hall of Famer Dwight Muhammad Qawi said he had reason to believe that Holyfield was a “cheater” and felt vindicated in reports linking Holyfield to the pharmacy suspected of selling steroids. Qawi, who fought and lost to Holyfield twice in his career, suspects that Holyfield has used performance-enhancing drugs throughout his career, including before and during their legendary 15-round war in Atlanta, GA in 1986. Moreover, Qawi said that he’s been on record for years stating that he believed that Holyfield gained an unfair edge in their 1986 bout thanks to the use of steroids. [details]

i THINK this guy is mad that Holyfield styled on him twice. Evander never has been tested positive for steroids. He is an American citizen and in America we are innocent til proven guilty. I haven't seen a test that says he is guilty, but only speculltion and stories suggesting so. We have no right to take away his accomplishments off of some fairytales. he is a HOFer!!!

[Benny Leonard]

i THINK this guy is mad that Holyfield styled on him twice. Evander never has been tested positive for steroids. He is an American citizen and in America we are innocent til proven guilty. I haven't seen a test that says he is guilty, but only speculltion and stories suggesting so. We have no right to take away his accomplishments off of some fairytales. he is a HOFer!!!

Oh ****, soembody actually reads and understands his rights

Spread the Word:
Please explain and teach this to the many that live in this country and don't know it.

[cortdawg25]

Oh ****, soembody actually reads and understands his rights

Spread the Word:
Please explain and teach this to the many that live in this country and don't know it.

Benny, it happens way too often. Whatever the media says or story says, we take it and run with it and accept it as truth. Bad journalism as well as weak minded people who are easily influenced is the reason why we tear down our heroes in this country. Evander was a great undersized champion who fought his heart out in some of the best boxing exhibition I have seen. He is 1 of the reasons why we complain about the HW division today and in the same sentence ridicule him. I don't understand it, there is not 1 single positive steroid test on his record before or after a fight, never has he failed a test!

[Bucktown Beast]

Honestly, the gains aren't that impressive. I have seen much greater gains from "Natural" athletes. You also thicken with age. The hormone DHT also increases when you get into your mid 20's, which increases strength, which will increase muscle mass; it is also responsible for hair loss.

Now if you show me the two pictures of Barry Bonds, now that is a transformation.

I don't think those two pictures side by side really do his transformation justice...

This would probably offer a better visual

1986
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1996
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And Qawi really does seem bitter, but maybe he did feel cheated by Holy all this time. Who knows. But in that article he suspects someone "rubbing a steroid" cream on Holyfield in between rounds. Sorry, but that aint doing ****...not even the fastest acting steroids are gonna give instant energy boosts. And especially not in cream form.

[Hitman932]

roy jones jr. is just like barry bonds in terms of steroid use

both of them were great without the roids....

but neither guys ego would allow them to be satisfied with just being "great"

they just had to be "the greatest" and steroids were their way of pushing themselves farther than ever before..... and they believe in their hearts that sine other guys were doing it there was nothing wrong with them following suit

saying they didnt need them is true, but they were addicted to the success and physical gains... once you start you dont stop, especially if you can afford it

holyfield, obviously to be fighting at 44.. liek bonds playing at 44..... that can only be achieved with the juice.

hell tennis players are spent at 30.... no way you can box at 44 without a little help

[Benny Leonard]

roy jones jr. is just like barry bonds in terms of steroid use

both of them were great without the roids....

but neither guys ego would allow them to be satisfied with just being "great"

they just had to be "the greatest" and steroids were their way of pushing themselves farther than ever before..... and they believe in their hearts that sine other guys were doing it there was nothing wrong with them following suit

saying they didnt need them is true, but they were addicted to the success and physical gains... once you start you dont stop, especially if you can afford it

holyfield, obviously to be fighting at 44.. liek bonds playing at 44..... that can only be achieved with the juice.

hell tennis players are spent at 30.... no way you can box at 44 without a little help

Well we have to prove both did steroids. Like I stated before, according to ESPN, when Roy failed his steroid test (along with Hall), he failed for Andro.

For Holyfield, we will wait and see.

And what about Archie Moore who fought well into his 40s?

What about Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens?

Ever hear of Satchel Paige?

There have also been and maybe still active, 40+ year olds in Hockey.

[cortdawg25]

roy jones jr. is just like barry bonds in terms of steroid use

both of them were great without the roids....

but neither guys ego would allow them to be satisfied with just being "great"

they just had to be "the greatest" and steroids were their way of pushing themselves farther than ever before..... and they believe in their hearts that sine other guys were doing it there was nothing wrong with them following suit

saying they didnt need them is true, but they were addicted to the success and physical gains... once you start you dont stop, especially if you can afford it

holyfield, obviously to be fighting at 44.. liek bonds playing at 44..... that can only be achieved with the juice.

hell tennis players are spent at 30.... no way you can box at 44 without a little help

So according to your logic, Bernard Hopkins, Satchel Paige, Vinnie Testaverde, ***embe Mutumbo and any active athlete over 40 is on steroids. That is ridiculous, just maybe they are that great and can do more things physically then most men. Just maybe they took care of their bodies and didn't abuse drugs or alcohol or overeat. Just maybe they are great athletes.