Where do you have Rafael Marquez in the P4P List?

[Sir_Jose]

i have wright at 2... how can marquez be above wright?

I put pac at 3, because Morales was so washed up. He needs to fight Barrera again and win in order to convince me.

And Marquez isnt in my top 5. I mean, Vazquez broke his nose and had to quit. If he beats him more convincingly in the rematch, i definetly think he would break the top 5.
But its a bit unfair to shoot him up there when his opponent, who is know for the comeback KO, didnt get to finish the fight.

So Vazquez broke his nose himself?

I sear to God, some people

[oldgringo]

i have wright at 2... how can marquez be above wright?

I put pac at 3, because Morales was so washed up. He needs to fight Barrera again and win in order to convince me.

And Marquez isnt in my top 5. I mean, Vazquez broke his nose and had to quit. If he beats him more convincingly in the rematch, i definetly think he would break the top 5.

But its a bit unfair to shoot him up there when his opponent, who is know for the comeback KO, didnt get to finish the fight.

This is funny.

Vazquez shut himself down. It's not like some ring doctor came in and stopped him against a ton of protest. He retired on his stool because he couldn't continue.

That's about as convincing a stoppage as anyone should need. Where's the difference between that and MArquez busting his eye up so badly that he retires because he can't see? Answer ---> there is no difference.

Marquez busted that nose and imposed his will. I don't think the rematch will be any different.

[Kball15]

So Vazquez broke his nose himself?

I sear to God, some people

no no no. he got his nose brok. But it was a close fight.

im not sayin Marquez didnt gain a few spots, but had he destroyed Vazquez, and layed him on his ass a few times, i would have him in my top five.

His performance was excellent, but it wouldnt rocket him from my 10 or 9 spot to my 3 or 4 spot...

considering all the greats that have those spots, you know?

[Parody]

I like Rafael much more than his brother, I think Rafael is more polished...Excellent fighter with good power, he would have beaten Vasquez anyway if the fight continued, Its not Marquez fault Israel wanted to quit because Marquez busted/broke his nose, the dude was having breathing problems and it could have damaged him more had the fight should hve gone on, Marquez will beat Vasquez in the rematch and he should easily beat the divisions top, he said he wants to give Israel a rematch and after that take on the current champs, aka Unify.

[Kball15]

This is funny.

Vazquez shut himself down. It's not like some ring doctor came in and stopped him against a ton of protest. He retired on his stool because he couldn't continue.

That's about as convincing a stoppage as anyone should need. Where's the difference between that and MArquez busting his eye up so badly that he retires because he can't see? Answer ---> there is no difference.

Marquez busted that nose and imposed his will. I don't think the rematch will be any different.

I think if Vazquez could breath, he would have stopped Marquez. So it wasnt a "convincing" enough stoppage to get him into top 5 at all.

If there wasnt the nose problem, it would have lasted longer. And the longer vazquez lasts, the more likely he's gonna land a bomb.

I definetly think Vazquez slowly getting his way with marquez.

Im not saying it wasnt an impressive performance, but with all the greats occupying the top 5 p4p spots, he just didnt earn it with that kind of stoppage.

u know?

It wasnt like, vazquez was so beaten up and bloodied, he couldnt even make it up for the 8th round. He just couldnt breath. He had the energty and he seemed all right.

It was just a punch that, lucky for marquez, happened to break vazquez's nose.

[Sir_Jose]

no no no. he got his nose brok. But it was a close fight.

im not sayin Marquez didnt gain a few spots, but had he destroyed Vazquez, and layed him on his ass a few times, i would have him in my top five.

His performance was excellent, but it would rocket him from my 10 or 9 spot to my 3 or 4 spot...

considering all the greats that have those spots, you know?

Then I dont see whats the problem. Marquez busted him up and he quit, what more do you want?

[Parody]

no no no. he got his nose brok. But it was a close fight.

im not sayin Marquez didnt gain a few spots, but had he destroyed Vazquez, and layed him on his ass a few times, i would have him in my top five.

His performance was excellent, but it would rocket him from my 10 or 9 spot to my 3 or 4 spot...

considering all the greats that have those spots, you know?

Marquez was ahead at the time of the stoppage, its not like the referee jumped in, Israel quit himself as he could'nt breath through his nose properly, he said he wanted to quit early but Roach made him fight a few rounds.

RM cleans the division...

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

I think if Vazquez could breath, he would have stopped Marquez. So it wasnt a "convincing" enough stoppage to get him into top 5 at all.

If there wasnt the nose problem, it would have lasted longer. And the longer vazquez lasts, the more likely he's gonna land a bomb.

I definetly think Vazquez slowly getting his way with marquez.

Im not saying it wasnt an impressive performance, but with all the greats occupying the top 5 p4p spots, he just didnt earn it with that kind of stoppage.

u know?

It wasnt like, vazquez was so beaten up and bloodied, he couldnt even make it up for the 8th round. He just couldnt breath. He had the energty and he seemed all right.

It was just a punch that, lucky for marquez, happened to break vazquez's nose.

Vazquez was beaten up to the face and his broken nose was a result of a Marquez punch.

What if Tarver didnt kill himself to make weight for Hopkins? What if Taylor knocked out Wright? What if De la Hoya got up from the Hopklins liver punch?

There are no what ifs after a fight.

Marquez seemed to be landing the harder punches, landing more often and would have stopped Vazquez in three more rounds.

If the same thing happened to Marquez, people would be dancing in the streets. Vazquez held his own but he was being outhustled.

[Kball15]

Guys, im not saying it didnt earn him some spots, but you have some all time greats and some legends in their prime in the top 5.

marquez just isnt there yet. As good a performance as it was, it wasnt like he destroyed vazquez, or took him out early.

You have Mayweather, arguably one of the all time greats.

you have pacman, one of the all time greats in the making.

You have Winky Wright, a hall of famer who has multiple wins over all time greats.

You have Barrera, who has two wins over Rocky Juarez, and a matchup w/ JMM soon. One of the great mexican fighters.

I mean, you could have him at #5 but that would be a real squeeze for ME at least

you know what i mean? Hes not there YET. At least not in my eyes

[oldgringo]

I think if Vazquez could breath, he would have stopped Marquez. So it wasnt a "convincing" enough stoppage to get him into top 5 at all.

If there wasnt the nose problem, it would have lasted longer. And the longer vazquez lasts, the more likely he's gonna land a bomb.

I definetly think Vazquez slowly getting his way with marquez.

Im not saying it wasnt an impressive performance, but with all the greats occupying the top 5 p4p spots, he just didnt earn it with that kind of stoppage.

u know?

It wasnt like, vazquez was so beaten up and bloodied, he couldnt even make it up for the 8th round. He just couldnt breath. He had the energty and he seemed all right.

It was just a punch that, lucky for marquez, happened to break vazquez's nose.

Eh...no I don't see what you're saying. If Marquez lays him out with a left hook, I have reason to believe you'd be saying, "no I don't think he's top 5 because he landed a lucky knockout punch..."

Marquez broke his nose. Nothing lucky about that. You weren't anywhere near the ring and you ain't Israel Vazquez...you don't know if dude could or could not breathe. Vazquez isn't some dog who lays down in his fights. He showed brass balls like no other in that Gonzalez bout and in every other fight he has been in. He wouldn't quit if he didn't have to.

HAVE YOU SEEN VAZQUEZ' FACE? Here's a link:

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/showgallery.php?cat=3311

Vazquez looked like he'd been through hell after the fight.

You are crazy.