Roach: "Mayweather, Jr. Not A Complete Fighter"

[BigCol]

no he stood in the pocket with opponents of his same size (i remind you... fought 20 fights at 130), he even stood in the pocket with baldomir in the first half ot the fight

what fights were you watching? he wasn't even standing in the pocket against manfredy...just moving and counterpunching.

And you are talking **** if you say he fought in the pocket against Baldomir. Fighting in the pocket is what James Toney does. Fighting in the pocket is what Winky Wright does. Fighting in the pocket is NOT what Floyd Mayweather does.

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He busted up Zab?

yes he did. end of the story

I dont think so. He picked him off but the shots were not powerful and woudl of never knocked down Glass Jaw Judah.

Judah was so not in the verge of being stopped that he lowblowed and rabbit punched Mayweather... should make you think...

[BigCol]

yes he did. end of the story



Judah was so not in the verge of being stopped that he lowblowed and rabbit punched Mayweather... should make you think...

Nah. I was watching the same fight as you were and Mayweather was hesitant to throw the big shot. He threw these short little shots that just picked Zab off. He didnt fully extend the motions in his arms like say Tszyu or even a guy like Cotto or Margarito did.

And I think you're wrong. Judah was on the verge of being EMBERASSED. Which he was...he wasn't even close to getting stopped.

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what fights were you watching? he wasn't even standing in the pocket against manfredy...just moving and counterpunching.

And you are talking **** if you say he fought in the pocket against Baldomir. Fighting in the pocket is what James Toney does. Fighting in the pocket is what Winky Wright does. Fighting in the pocket is NOT what Floyd Mayweather does.

ok if by standing in the pocket you mean taking only short steps for an entire fight...

I did not say that mayweather stays entire fights in the pocket, however he does stand in ground in numerous occasions and that includes the Baldomir fight.

as for the manfredy fight... it lasted two rounds for chrissake, less than 6 minutes!

btw he never stood and trade with chicanito either, floyd sr made him very defensive minded. it took a little bit of roger to change that. and of course he never stood and traded with corrales... (why would he ever do that?)

in any case let me point out the following again, being able to do something does not mean you have to do it always. especially if it implies getting hit more. (and standing in the pocket implies getting hit more, even if you are pbf or pea).

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Nah. I was watching the same fight as you were and Mayweather was hesitant to throw the big shot. He threw these short little shots that just picked Zab off. He didnt fully extend the motions in his arms like say Tszyu or even a guy like Cotto or Margarito did.

And I think you're wrong. Judah was on the verge of being EMBERASSED. Which he was...he wasn't even close to getting stopped.

mayweather does not throw haymakers like margarito.

mayweather does not have zoo's power.

mayweather has fought judah, cotto did not, (in fact cotto's attitude got him in trouble against torres)

as you said Judah had already being embarassed by then.

he was breathing hard and was less and less responsive in the corner, his face was busted up, he was not throwing punches. if that is not the picture of a fighter close to being stopped, i dont know what do you want to see

[ELPacman]

hmmm

so you trying to say he jabs more with lesser opponents and throws power shots with the tougher ones? your understanding of boxing is impressive.



No i did not forget anything,

go watch the judah fight and see mayweather walking judah down.

Judah two division champion, undisputed at welter. (Floyd's second fight at welter).

No, I'm saying he's taking on guys he knows he can easily win against. Ones he knows he can beat and look good because they aren't that big a threat to him. Taking on Gatti was a joke. Going down crying like the biggest ***** I've ever seen after beating him acting like he beat the undisputed or a guy that has beaten top dawgs was a ****in joke. Beating Judah after Judah already lost to Carlos meant nothing. Judah has already been a ****in clown for quite some time. Hasn't done anything meaningful except get KOed in the funniest way imaginable. Then he takes on Carlos who was tailor made to show off Floyd's abiltiy. He's slow, not a hard puncher(I don't care that Floyd was moving up), and had so many holes in his style. It woulda been a crime if Floyd didn't win that fight. Floyd will finally be facing someone with a punch, speed, and skills. I really hope Oscar whoops that ass, so he can cry about how he lost to his first great fighter he's taken on.

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No, I'm saying he's taking on guys he knows he can easily win against.

so you changed topic for lack of answers, since my post was in reply to your post saying "mayweather cannot jab"

Ones he knows he can beat and look good because they aren't that big a threat to him.

how does taking on de la hoya fit in your persective?

Taking on Gatti was a joke. Going down crying like the biggest ***** I've ever seen after beating him acting like he beat the undisputed or a guy that has beaten top dawgs was a ****in joke.

I agree

Beating Judah after Judah already lost to Carlos meant nothing. Judah has already been a ****in clown for quite some time. Hasn't done anything meaningful except get KOed in the funniest way imaginable.

when judah-mayweather was signed the clown was undisputed welterweight champion. he just finished stopping spinks for the first (and last so far) time in his career and i think also knocked him down for the first time. spinks is now a 154 champion.

I am sure you think fighting morales meant nothing for pacman, since morales was coming off a loss EVERY time he faced pacman.

Then he takes on Carlos who was tailor made to show off Floyd's abiltiy. He's slow, not a hard puncher(I don't care that Floyd was moving up), and had so many holes in his style. It woulda been a crime if Floyd didn't win that fight.

baldomir = undisputed welterweight champion

end of the story

Floyd will finally be facing someone with a punch, speed, and skills. I really hope Oscar whoops that ass, so he can cry about how he lost to his first great fighter he's taken on.

I am sure you hope for that, it might also happen. it happens when you take bigger challenges, than the man in your avatar does.

btw judah has comparable power, more speed and more skills than oscar.

[pbftxrs316]

What bull****!! Floyd Mayweather Jr. is not an in-pocket type fighter. I dont know why people always say that. The only times I have seen him fight in the pocket was against Corley, Mitchell, and N'dou and also the tail end of the bout against Chavez. He only foughts in the pocket when his opponents are weaker then him and softer punchers (which isn't saying much).

so, that just goes to show he is not a one dimensional type of fighter. when he feels he has to, he can box in the pocket, believe me, i have all of his fights. when he feels he has to pot-shot, he will. when he feels he can slug it out he will, which he did in round 6 of the balomir fight and stumbled carlos to near the end of the round. through all of this, he never forgets his defense though, which is his in style's foundation and his best tool imo. maybe, that's why it seems that he hasn't fought in the pocket. but he has fought in the pocket more than the fights you mentioned, believe me. i won't tell you which ones until you go back and watch some more of his fights and hopefully you see.

[pbftxrs316]

who really cares what elpacman thinks. he's typing nonsense. hey, elpacman, i'll bet you that floyd would kill manny pacquiao at 130 or 135 or practically any other weight. how about you?

[niceguy45]

no body is perfect in this world period