CAN SOMEBODY please tell me why COTTO deserves all this credit????

[Hydro]

Cotto has faced a lot of solid fighters and prospects, but for a well-marketed Top Rank guy, it's still fairly slow. When you take a look at the other guys in recent years who were excellent amateurs that Top Rank brought along from the start, they stepped it up considerably sooner than Cotto has.

The variety of styles Cotto has faced, though, is good and could be very beneficial in the future.

[oldgringo]

I mean, everyone is saying he would kill guys like hatton, mayweather, Judah, Corrales... and even carlos Baldomir?

If i had to pick a winner for COTTO-BALDOMIR, i would pick BALDY in a great fight.

people say Cotto would outbox Baldy. What good fighter has he outboxed? none. Not one good opponent.

Baldy beat JUDAH, and dominated Gatti, and stood 12 hard rounds with Mayweather.

Cotto beat paul malinaggi, who is a good boxer, but he never proved himself against anyone.

Cotto stopped Corley, which may be his best win.

Or maybe Carlos maussa.

I mean these are good fighters, but to say he can knock Mayweather out, or outbox Baldomir, or take a decision over mosley, is a bit rediculous at this point.

At least to me.

Cotto is a great fighter, but whoever he fights in JUNE will be his best opponent to date. If he stuggles against Margarito if they fight, or williams, or mosley, i see no reason why this guy is getting so much credit.

People are hating on guys like Hatton for hand picking there opponents... but cotto hasnt fought the opposition hatton has?

Cotto is a very exciting, very talented fighter, but he hasnt fought a name fighter since Maussa... and he is hardly a name... or corley if he counts.

Alright I'm going to try and break this down the best I can without ranting too much.

Miguel Cotto has NOT fought any world beating, marquee fighters yet. Everyone knows this, it shouldn't be an issue anymore. What he has fought however is a laundry list of solid opponents who have given him different looks. Corley, Torres, N'Dou, Quintana, Malignaggi...all of those guys were solid prospects or tough veterans. Torres and N'Dou are both coming off pretty significant wins and now have title straps to their names (even though they aren't the recognized champs). By beating these guys he has seen just about everything he is going to see in a ring. He will be able to adapt more effectively on the big stage as a result.

Yes Miguel Cotto would out box Carlos Baldomir. Baldomir received praise for beating an overrated, inconsistent Zab Judah who bellied up halfway through their fight. He also receives praise for beating an Arturo Gatti (you even alluded to this being a good win) which anyone with eyes and rationale could see was a dead man. Gatti was WELL past his best and really just isn't that special anyway. Those guys were nice names, but they didn't showcase Baldomir for the fighter he'd be against other hungry fighters. Cotto has beaten a lot of come forward tough guys. Baldomir may be better than the Bazan's and the Maussa's of the world, but those guys also got their asses handed to them. It's a stylistic thing here. Baldomir isn't fast enough, nor is he heavy handed enough to hurt Cotto with one shot. Cotto would be the quicker, more skilled fighter. His stamina will also be better at this adjusted weight.

One has to look at the styles of these fighters when assessing their potential match ups. Cotto is a tough fight for someone like HAtton because he has the skill, strength and power to counter Hattons aggressive style. Hatton wouldn't have his way with him in those clinches. Miguel is also an INCREDIBLY effective compact puncher. His shots on the inside are quick and do damage even if they do not land cleanly.

It's hard to make Diego Corrales into a serious threat to any top guy at 147. He's damaged goods in the first place, in addition to being small and fragile through the body.

People REALLY have selective memory when thinking about Cotto. People seem to only remember his fights with Torres and Corley, while forgetting all of the other great performances he has put on. If his last performance wasn't an indication of how effective he'll be at 147...just wait until you see what he does to Urkal.

Anyone telling you that he'll "kill" Mayweather or Mosley is just sensationalizing. Obviously those would be tough fights for anyone. Again though...Baldomir being elite is a figment of your imagination. The guy is a tough bull...nothing more, nothing less. He isn't anything that Cotto hasn't seen before.

[-Antonio-]

I think the reason he hasnt stepped it up against bigger named opponents is because 140 was basically a showcase. His real weight is 147, and hes only had one fight.

[-Antonio-]

Alright I'm going to try and break this down the best I can without ranting too much.

Miguel Cotto has NOT fought any world beating, marquee fighters yet. Everyone knows this, it shouldn't be an issue anymore. What he has fought however is a laundry list of solid opponents who have given him different looks. Corley, Torres, N'Dou, Quintana, Malignaggi...all of those guys were solid prospects or tough veterans. Torres and N'Dou are both coming off pretty significant wins and now have title straps to their names (even though they aren't the recognized champs). By beating these guys he has seen just about everything he is going to see in a ring. He will be able to adapt more effectively on the big stage as a result.

Yes Miguel Cotto would out box Carlos Baldomir. Baldomir received praise for beating an overrated, inconsistent Zab Judah who bellied up halfway through their fight. He also receives praise for beating an Arturo Gatti (you even alluded to this being a good win) which anyone with eyes and rationale could see was a dead man. Gatti was WELL past his best and really just isn't that special anyway. Those guys were nice names, but they didn't showcase Baldomir for the fighter he'd be against other hungry fighters. Cotto has beaten a lot of come forward tough guys. Baldomir may be better than the Bazan's and the Maussa's of the world, but those guys also got their asses handed to them. It's a stylistic thing here. Baldomir isn't fast enough, nor is he heavy handed enough to hurt Cotto with one shot. Cotto would be the quicker, more skilled fighter. His stamina will also be better at this adjusted weight.

One has to look at the styles of these fighters when assessing their potential match ups. Cotto is a tough fight for someone like HAtton because he has the skill, strength and power to counter Hattons aggressive style. Hatton wouldn't have his way with him in those clinches. Miguel is also an INCREDIBLY effective compact puncher. His shots on the inside are quick and do damage even if they do not land cleanly.

It's hard to make Diego Corrales into a serious threat to any top guy at 147. He's damaged goods in the first place, in addition to being small and fragile through the body.

People REALLY have selective memory when thinking about Cotto. People seem to only remember his fights with Torres and Corley, while forgetting all of the other great performances he has put on. If his last performance wasn't an indication of how effective he'll be at 147...just wait until you see what he does to Urkal.

Anyone telling you that he'll "kill" Mayweather or Mosley is just sensationalizing. Obviously those would be tough fights for anyone. Again though...Baldomir being elite is a figment of your imagination. The guy is a tough bull...nothing more, nothing less. He isn't anything that Cotto hasn't seen before.

Its like talking to a wall with some of these guys man. Its starting to piss me off. Good post.

[Undefeated]

I don't know why people keep on bringing up "People are hating on guys like Hatton for hand picking there opponents... but cotto hasnt fought the opposition hatton has?"

Cotto has only 28 fights. Hatton really hasn't proved nothing. All I can say is Tszyu. Besides it wasn't even an impressive win. A wrestling match that's what it was. Cotto is by far more entertaining and would kill Hatton at 147.

[Kball15]

I don't know why people keep on bringing up "People are hating on guys like Hatton for hand picking there opponents... but cotto hasnt fought the opposition hatton has?"

Cotto has only 28 fights. Hatton really hasn't proved nothing. All I can say is Tszyu. Besides it wasn't even an impressive win. A wrestling match that's what it was. Cotto is by far more entertaining and would kill Hatton at 147.

See. what proof do u have for this?

this is the point im making. If hatton boxes like he did against URANGO, Cotto gets stopped late. Its almost garunteed.

Urango packs a big punch and he landed it ONCE against Hatton and it hurt hatton to the body.

Hatton, against a guy Like COTTO, would defend the body extremely well. Hed have to.

ill tell u right now, win or lose against castillo, if hatton doesnt get hurt to the body he will stop Cotto. i can straight up garuntee it.

[Kball15]

O yea, and theres the other thing.

people think Cotto is this UNBELIEVABLE body puncher.

He is good right now, but he is certainly not as good as CASTILLO.

Cotto lands bigger punches, which is why he tends to hurt guys to the body more.

But castillo lands much more effective body shots, he sets up jaw breaking hooks with the body shots, he hits the body from all sorts of angles, and he wears his guys down.

Cotto is said to be this monster guy because of his vicous body punching early in his career, and his quintana knockout. The QUINTANA KO was from a kidney shot. Not cottos fault, quintana turned right into like a jackass, but it was a kidney shot.

If not for that punch, i think quintana would have came out for round 7.

Dont get be wrong, he is a very good body puncher, but i would definetly rank Castillo above him. Hell, Hatton in his pre-tyzu days was a great body puncher. But as hatton has shown us, it takes more then that to compete at the top level

[Zn1]

Hatton will beat Cotto whether he beats or loses to Castillo

[oldgringo]

O yea, and theres the other thing.

people think Cotto is this UNBELIEVABLE body puncher.

He is good right now, but he is certainly not as good as CASTILLO.

Cotto lands bigger punches, which is why he tends to hurt guys to the body more.

But castillo lands much more effective body shots, he sets up jaw breaking hooks with the body shots, he hits the body from all sorts of angles, and he wears his guys down.

Cotto is said to be this monster guy because of his vicous body punching early in his career, and his quintana knockout. The QUINTANA KO was from a kidney shot. Not cottos fault, quintana turned right into like a jackass, but it was a kidney shot.

If not for that punch, i think quintana would have came out for round 7.

Dont get be wrong, he is a very good body puncher, but i would definetly rank Castillo above him. Hell, Hatton in his pre-tyzu days was a great body puncher. But as hatton has shown us, it takes more then that to compete at the top level

You complain about people "guaranteeing that Cotto would KO Mayweather and Mosley" and such, but then you turn around and say:

"ill tell u right now, win or lose against castillo, if hatton doesnt get hurt to the body he will stop Cotto. i can straight up garuntee it."

Looks like someone needs to wake up and smell what they're shoveling.

Cotto has proven to be a devastating body puncher. I mean...have you actually watched any of his fights or are you just saying this stuff off the cuff? Did you see what he did to Branco, Quintana, Torres, Corley, Sosa, Hernandez, Martinez etc? He made Branco quit by damn near dislocating his shoulder. He just physically breaks your body...upstairs and down. It's not Cotto's doing that Quintana turned into that body punch? Uhh...you're right...all of those straight lefts and hooks Cotto was hitting Quintana with had no influence on Quintana not wanting to take any more of them. That's all trivial anyway...Quintana was going to lose as he was being battered badly in the final moments of that fight.

Castillo and Hatton spend more time throwing to the body...Cotto doesn't really need to do that to be effective. His left hook to the body is the single most devastating body punch in the sport. Good for those two that their offense is generated off throwing to the body.

[Smokin']

You complain about people "guaranteeing that Cotto would KO Mayweather and Mosley" and such, but then you turn around and say:


Looks like someone needs to wake up and smell what they're shoveling.

Cotto has proven to be a devastating body puncher. I mean...have you actually watched any of his fights or are you just saying this stuff off the cuff? Did you see what he did to Branco, Quintana, Torres, Corley, Sosa, Hernandez, Martinez etc? He made Branco quit by damn near dislocating his shoulder. He just physically breaks your body...upstairs and down. It's not Cotto's doing that Quintana turned into that body punch? Uhh...you're right...all of those straight lefts and hooks Cotto was hitting Quintana with had no influence on Quintana not wanting to take any more of them. That's all trivial anyway...Quintana was going to lose as he was being battered badly in the final moments of that fight.

Castillo and Hatton spend more time throwing to the body...Cotto doesn't really need to do that to be effective. His left hook to the body is the single most devastating body punch in the sport. Good for those two that their offense is generated off throwing to the body.

Dude, he is being marketted extremely careful. He has basically been fed prospects like himself his entire career. He hasnt fought any guys who have a wealth of experience even like Hatton who fought dudes like Tackie, Oliviera, Phillips who are PAID to make guys look Bad. Look at that lineup...Branco wasnt very good to begin with he even got beat down by Gatti, Torres was a nobody to begin with and almost starched Cotto, Quintana beat an extremely one dimensional Julio...what else does he have to claim.

Anyway, the whole point is the guys here are overamping on Cotto's results, just like they always do. It's gonna be funny when Cotto is made to look pretty one-dimensional. They are making him seem like he is a wrecking crew when he would still get storched by Hatton, Mayweather, and company (even Margarito, Clottey would give him a good fight, etc.).