Lennox Lewis G.O.A.T.

[Hydro]

The thing that puts Lewis' status as a top 5er in doubt is not the fact that he got knocked out twice in early rounds from relative journeymen. Its the fact that the reason that happened was because of over-confidence, complacency and perhaps even a lack of heart. Many good champions underestimated their opponents and got caught cold, but the truly great ones got up and ground out a result.

Lewis didnt really ever show that ability.

It's more chin and recuprative powers than heart.

He tried to get up and wanted to go on, but he just couldn't get up against Rahman, and the ref stopped it against McCall (I think Lewis would've gotten clobbered if it went on).

[Super Cartel]

The Rahman knockout Lewis actually got up and ask courtney (his cornerman) who had won! lol

How fcuked up was that!

the Mcall knockdown he wasnt has hurt but when the ref motioned him
to walk towards him he did a funny little twist with his legs and the ref
called it off.. fair stoppage

[Easy-E]

At 6'3" and 217, he may have had a bigger punch and chin than Lewis, but there's no freaking way he was bigger and stronger. You need to either get off the drugs or get back on your meds.

Nope.
your totally ****ing wrong.
Nice try though.
HA.

[lennon]

The thing that puts Lewis' status as a top 5er in doubt is not the fact that he got knocked out twice in early rounds from relative journeymen. Its the fact that the reason that happened was because of over-confidence, complacency and perhaps even a lack of heart. Many good champions underestimated their opponents and got caught cold, but the truly great ones got up and ground out a result.

Lewis didnt really ever show that ability.

He did get up versus mccall, he was up at 6 and the ref stoppe dcounting at 8, if he as holyfield the ref would of given him up to 15 like he got in the Bowe fight! Holmes was hurt worse when he got up from shavers but the ref gave him a chance, Marco Antonio Barrera went down to one punch from junior jones and the ref gave him 17 seconds, even in lewis
If you really doubt his chin and heart you obviously havent watched many of his fights, watch this video clip and become enlightened,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nALCqepEptg

In all those clips he was caught and fought back and won. He fought wars with Tucker, Mercer, Klitschko, Mason, Bruno. The 7th rd versus Holyfield he was hurt and by th eend of the rd he was backing holyfield up.

How do you definie journeyman! McCall holds a 1t rd ko win over the current WBC champion! and 12 years after becoming champion is rated at number 5, journeymen dont get in the top ten let alone 20 years into their careers!

[hemichromis]

lewis is certainly not the best of all time however he is probably a top 5.

foreman came close to fighting lewis. the winner of the fight between briggs and foreman woulf fight lewis but as we all know foreman was robbed!!
I am actually glad that he was because foreman at this age (getting close to 50) would be made to look silly against lennox lewis

[beez721]

Foreman said that lewis even scared him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX6XtRjRlVM

he also said frazier and norton terrified him

[The Noose]

He did get up versus mccall, he was up at 6 and the ref stoppe dcounting at 8, if he as holyfield the ref would of given him up to 15 like he got in the Bowe fight! Holmes was hurt worse when he got up from shavers but the ref gave him a chance, Marco Antonio Barrera went down to one punch from junior jones and the ref gave him 17 seconds, even in lewis
If you really doubt his chin and heart you obviously havent watched many of his fights, watch this video clip and become enlightened,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nALCqepEptg

In all those clips he was caught and fought back and won. He fought wars with Tucker, Mercer, Klitschko, Mason, Bruno. The 7th rd versus Holyfield he was hurt and by th eend of the rd he was backing holyfield up.

How do you definie journeyman! McCall holds a 1t rd ko win over the current WBC champion! and 12 years after becoming champion is rated at number 5, journeymen dont get in the top ten let alone 20 years into their careers!

When Holmes was knocked down against Shavers, he was indeed seriously hurt, but was still somehow able to dance around. Plus there were only 40 seconds left in the 7th round, and Shavers right eye was shut. I think the ref was right to let it continue. Whereas Lewis had trouble standing upright.

There are so many occasions wen refs have given fighters extra time to recover, or let a fighter continue. That doesnt make any difference that Lewis was TKO'd against McCall with a single shot.

Whether or not McCall is a journeyman is debatable.
Maskaev was KO'd by him after only his 6th fight as a pro.
And he lost to Bruno, Tucker, Orlin Norris, Buster Douglas, hardly great opposition. His only defence of the title was against a 45 year old Holmes.
He wasnt a great champion, maybe a decent contender, but thats about it.

[.Mik.]

He did get up versus mccall, he was up at 6 and the ref stoppe dcounting at 8, if he as holyfield the ref would of given him up to 15 like he got in the Bowe fight! Holmes was hurt worse when he got up from shavers but the ref gave him a chance, Marco Antonio Barrera went down to one punch from junior jones and the ref gave him 17 seconds, even in lewis

Thats all irrelevant. The referee DID deem him unfit to continue (as many people who say it was a fast count will say that Lewis stumbled and fell into the ref), the ref is the only one looking into the eyes. He was the one counting, he was the one who called the match off. So Lewis was knocked out twice.

If you really doubt his chin and heart you obviously havent watched many of his fights, watch this video clip and become enlightened,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nALCqepEptg

I've watched 90% of Lewis fights. At one stage he was the only real fighter we ever saw on UK TV. So thanks for the arrogant offer of enlightenment, but I dont need it.

In all those clips he was caught and fought back and won. He fought wars with Tucker, Mercer, Klitschko, Mason, Bruno. The 7th rd versus Holyfield he was hurt and by th eend of the rd he was backing holyfield up.

Look at the people you are naming there. He should never have been IN wars with Tucker, Bruno or Mason, they were not the type of fighters who should really have troubled someone who is considered to be an GOAT, or Top 5 of all time. Bruno in particular was hammering Lewis until his stamina (as always) went, he took a few shots and died. The Bruno who fought a well on the way to being shot Tyson was better than the Bruno who fought Lewis and look what happened to him. If ever you wanted a sign of the fact that peak Tyson would've ruined peak Lewis, thats a pretty good one. Lewis' complacency got him into trouble against vastly inferior opposition regularly. To be a top 5 or top 10 fighter, that shouldnt happen as often as it did. I'm not saying that the guy had no heart or that he wasnt able to win through wars, but he found himself caught far too often when there was no need for it to happen.

How do you definie journeyman! McCall holds a 1t rd ko win over the current WBC champion! and 12 years after becoming champion is rated at number 5, journeymen dont get in the top ten let alone 20 years into their careers!

I didnt say 'journeymen', I said 'relative journeymen' ie those who were contenders, but never made it to being champions of any note. Rahman was a champ, not a credible one though, McCall the same. Bruno the same too while we're at it. Akinwande who caused a deal of trouble to Lewis too was not a great fighter of note either. Bringing up the current position of people in the rankings doesnt make a great deal. Afterall, George Foreman by all serious accounts comfortably beat one of the most credible heavyweight champions in the world by current rankings, as he was pushing 50.

[titoi]

sheepish, maybe. but the very idea of lennox as goat is just silly. prime foreman had cases of indigestion which would have made lewis pee his sheets for months. holmes had more heart and starch in his boogers than lewis ever had in his gloves. ali ... oh, why bother...

btw, Bobby Pazuzu - that Hagler video is awesome!! Thanks for doing it!

Now that guy (Hagler) is a *possible* goat. Lewis was a decent champ during a very mediocre period for heavyweights, but calling him the best of all time is just disrespectful to the true giants of the sport.

[The Noose]

sheepish, maybe. but the very idea of lennox as goat is just silly. prime foreman had cases of indigestion which would have made lewis pee his sheets for months. holmes had more heart and starch in his boogers than lewis ever had in his gloves. ali ... oh, why bother...

btw, Bobby Pazuzu - that Hagler video is awesome!! Thanks for doing it!

Now that guy (Hagler) is a *possible* goat. Lewis was a decent champ during a very mediocre period for heavyweights, but calling him the best of all time is just disrespectful to the true giants of the sport.

Everyone take note. This dude knows wtf he is saying!!

Cheers.