sweet pea pernell whitaker

[oldgringo]

you have to remember that hank was fighting a lot of these welters weighing in lighter than 147. his fight with ambers in '38 was supposed to be amazing. both guys giving and taking, armstrong just swinging from all angles.

[brownpimp88]

brownpimp88, are you kid achilles secret twin or something?

he seems obsessed with how all of today's fighters suck ass and even today's top would lose to even the most obscure fighters of the past

you seem obsessed with how all of yesterday's fighters suck ass and would suck in today's divisions

cant the both of you see that

(1) modern training methods took place of the old ones for a reason, modern fighing skills techniques evolved for a reason

(2) larger talent pool and having lots of fights DO matter

btw, TO ME you seem more objective that he is.

although his mayweather sucks threads go unnoticed in the ocean of the similar ones, made by posters who hate on pbf for different reasons. your armstrong sucks thread stands by itself, it is unique

I dont say he sucks, he's just overrated to a certain extent. I use more logic than him, its quite clear. He picks dempsey to beat up liston and foreman, i'm sure you laugh when you hear a typical achilles response.

[oldgringo]

I dont say he sucks, he's just overrated to a certain extent. I use more logic than him, its quite clear. He picks dempsey to beat up liston and foreman, i'm sure you laugh when you hear a typical achilles response.

To Achilles credit he has obviously done a good amount of research on his boxing history and knows what he's talking about in respect to non-modern era fighters. Whether he places too much emphasis on crediting those older fighters is a different thing. Hey, we all have our biases though. I have bias towards the fighters I grew up watching (Whitaker, Toney, Morales, etc) and I probably go over the top when talking about them from time to time.

[brownpimp88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FPiQEgsYSM

A great boxing exhibition by whitaker, remember folks greg haugen was a very good fighter back in 86-92. Whitaker takes him to school.

[Sir_Jose]

Top 3 all time at 135 and top 10-15 all time p4p range.

I put Pete 3rd behind Duran and Leonard all time at 135, but its like OG said he was as good as anyone who had ever fought at that weight but that doesn't mean he had a better career than some guys at lightweight.

[brownpimp88]

Top 3 all time at 135 and top 10-15 all time p4p range.

I put Pete 3rd behind Duran and Leonard all time at 135, but its like OG said he was as good as anyone who had ever fought at that weight but that doesn't mean he had a better career than some guys at lightweight.

pound for pound is he better than leonard, cuz he was the #1 welterweight for 4 straight years. Even though i like chavez, pernell did show his superiority in thier fight.

[Sir_Jose]

I dont know. Alot of people have Benny Leonard top 5 all time p4p he's one of those guys who's pretty golden when talking about there caeers. Moving up does affect your career but I dont really put to much on it.

Duran was never relly that great outside of 135 but its what he did while there that makes him such a legend I rank Duran #3 all time p4p.

[oldgringo]

I dont know. Alot of people have Benny Leonard top 5 all time p4p he's one of those guys who's pretty golden when talking about there caeers. Moving up does affect your career but I dont really put to much on it.

Duran was never relly that great outside of 135 but its what he did while there that makes him such a legend I rank Duran #3 all time p4p.

you talking boxing again sweetheart?

[Sir_Jose]

I aint got **** else to do.

[brownpimp88]

I dont know. Alot of people have Benny Leonard top 5 all time p4p he's one of those guys who's pretty golden when talking about there caeers. Moving up does affect your career but I dont really put to much on it.

Duran was never relly that great outside of 135 but its what he did while there that makes him such a legend I rank Duran #3 all time p4p.

Duran may be the best ever at that weight. Why isnt esteban de jesus in the hall of fame when you have guys like pipino cuevas in there. Duran has mad respect for De Jesus. I believe he dropped a prime duran twice, and he won the first time too.