NAZ vs PAC

[GEOFFHAYES]

During this prime you speak of, here is his opponent list:

1995-09-30 125¼ Steve Robinson 125¼ 21-9-1
Rugby Club, Cardiff, Wales W TKO 8 12
~ Time: 1:40 | Referee: Ismael W. Fernandez | Judge: Samuel Viruet 70-62 | Judge: Walter Cavalieri 69-63 | Judge: Paul Thomas 70-62 ~
~ WBO Featherweight Title ~
~Robinson down once in the 5th and 8th~

1995-07-01 122 Juan Polo Perez 120¾ 37-12-2
Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, England W KO 2 12
~ Referee: Mickey Vann | Judge: Sergio Silvi | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele ~
~ WBC International Super Bantamweight Title ~

1995-05-06 122 Enrique Angeles 26-5-0
Bath & West Country Showground, Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England W KO 2 12
~ Referee: Larry O'Connell ~
~ WBC International Super Bantamweight Title ~

1995-03-04 121 Sergio Rafael Liendo 122 42-4-3
Forum, Livingston, Midlothian, Scotland W KO 2 12
~ Referee: Daniel Van de Wiele | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele ~
~ WBC International Super Bantamweight Title ~

1995-01-21 121 Armando Castro 43-16-3
Scottish Exhibition Centre, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland W KO 4 12
~ Referee: Mickey Vann ~
~ WBC International Super Bantamweight Title ~

1994-11-19 122 Laureano Ramirez Padilla 17-0-1
National Ice Rink, Cardiff, Wales W TKO 3 12
~ Referee: Mickey Vann | Judge: Daniel Van de Wiele ~
~ WBC International Super Bantamweight Title ~

1994-10-12 121 Freddy Cruz 121 44-6-6
Ponds Forge Arena, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England W TKO 6 12
~ Vacant WBC International Super Bantamweight Title ~

1994-08-17 117 Antonio Picardi 24-10-0
Hillsborough Leisure Centre, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England W TKO 3 12
~ EBU (European) Bantamweight Title ~

1994-05-11 118 Vincenzo Belcastro 28-6-3
Ponds Forge Arena, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England W UD 12 12
~ 120-107 | 120-109 | 119-110 ~
~ EBU (European) Bantamweight Title ~
~Belcastro down once in the 1st and the 11th~

1994-04-09 122 John Miceli 9-2-2
Leisure Centre, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England W KO 1 0
1994-01-29 122 Peter Buckley 122 18-29-5
National Ice Rink, Cardiff, Wales W TKO 4 0


Anyone can be great against this competition. Pacquiao has been great against Barrera, Morales, Oscar Larios, Pacquiao is on another plane and level than Hamed.

I'm talking physical ability, not accomplishments.

Watch the fights and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Naz did things that you saw no other fighter do (or any other human being able to do) - like the facility to turn a jab into an uppercut or hook halfway through the motion as if he changed his mind during the punch, like avoiding a flurry of punches with his gloves dangling by his thighs and his legs and feet static and his face expression still, like delivering a 38-punch combination in eight seconds, etc.

[Mr. Ryan]

what about if it is the other way round?

Marquez didnt fight Pac a rematch so its either pac ducking Marquez or ther other way round.

Hamed that time was more feared fighter than pac he was seemly unbeaten too

Oh, there is no question to me that Marquez found Pacquiao to be too much. It's to his eternal discredit that he doesn't take a rematch. Yes, Hamed was unbeaten. Unbeaten when matched against Paul Ingle, Manuel Medina, and Cesar Soto. It's not about the glossy record, its about who you fight. Hamed only fought one elite fighter in Barrera and lost.

[Bonsi]

analysis #1.

Hamed by DQ...Pacman gets pissed at Hamed's semi-concert entourage and hits Naz with a steel chair...


analysis #2

Hamed gets ****y as usual and gets KOed worst than Zab vs Tzsyu and will be regarded as one of the funniest KO in boxing history...

[Mr. Ryan]

I'm talking physical ability, not accomplishments.

Watch the fights and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Naz did things that you saw no other fighter do (or any other human being able to do) - like the facility to turn a jab into a hook or uppercut halfway through the motion as if he changed his mind during the punch, like avoiding a flurry of punches with his gloves dangling by his thighs and his legs and feet static and his face expression still, like delivering a 38-punch combination in eight seconds, etc.

Against the bum of the month quality of competition he was facing, he could do those things. Against Barrera and Cesar Soto, not really. Against Kelley, that got him on the canvas three times. It doesn't matter what he does, I do all that **** in sparring sessions. If you can't do it against world class opposition, then you really can't do it I guess. Roy Jones, Ray Leonard, and Muhammad Ali are the only fighters I ever saw who could do that **** against world class competition, cuz they were the elites. Hamed was a side-show who capitalized on ABC organization politics. Doesn't mean I love him, but Barrera and Pacquiao and Morales were too much for him. You don't knock the greats out with just one shot.

[Jim_Davis]

How many times did Hamed get KO'd in his career? Well then.

[Mr. Ryan]

How many times did Hamed get KO'd in his career? Well then.

Who did he fight? Kevin Kelley was never regarded as a huge puncher, Barrera was focusing too much on the easy target head, Soto nearly decapitated him with a left hook in the second but didn't follow up. Who cares if he didn't get knocked out by Wayne McCullough.

[GEOFFHAYES]

Naz said before his pro debut "I'm not just going to be the greatest British fighter of all-time. I'm not going to be the greatest fighter of all-time, period. I'm already better than Ali!"

He wanted to fight world champion Dave McAuley in his second fight! "Give me that McAuley next, he stands like a soldier. I'd hit him with one left hand into the pit of the belly and the fight'd be won."


Unreal confidence but certainly backed it up for a while..

[PATO 1]

i remember after floyd beat corrales he called out hamed and larry merchant said ''floyd prince naseem wouldnt fight you'' naseem ducked morales,barrera marquez for years

[Mr. Ryan]

Naz said before his pro debut "I'm not just going to be the greatest British fighter of all-time. I'm not going to be the greatest fighter of all-time, period. I'm already better than Ali!"

He wanted to fight world champion Dave McAuley in his second fight! "Give me that McAuley next, he stands like a soldier. I'd hit him with one left hand into the pit of the belly and the fight'd be won."

And you actually believe this ****, I bet.

[GEOFFHAYES]

Unreal confidence but certainly backed it up for a while..