NAZ vs PAC

[eazy_mas]

So you're saying Pacquiao is ducking Marquez, when Marquez refused a $800,000 purse? I dunno about that

Hamed fought bums and lost to the only elite fighter he fought. Pacquiao beats top quality opponents. Hamed never was Ring Magazine's Fighter of the Year.

well you cant really say they where bums. have you seen the Rocky 6 movie?

Nassem Hamed in his prime was like Mason Dixion in the movie he was really good and far better that his competitiors so could you really say that all his guys are bums.


so what evidiece could you present that say the purse was 800K some other guys in this site like xcarat and many mexician boxing fans claim that Pac is ducking Marquez.

but my argument is about Hamed ducking Marquez is that Hamed is a southpaw with and akward style that is very hard to couter and akward style like Hamed and Hamed was reach and experince would have finished him off.

old pac who was 1D that time and Marquez got a draw from the fight even though he was knockdown three times in the fight and pac couldnt finish him off so Marquez say ducked Pac but that idea he would have ducked Hamed when he was less experince and Hamed was like unbeatenable

som compare the two sitaution its either Marquez is ducking bothing fighters or both fighters are ducking Marquez and i know what is you answer is in.

this long argument just reminded me of Gunstar1 sign saying " Arguing about Fantasy Fights is ******!' i think he is right

anyway lets agree disagreealy

[Liaison]

Hamed’s team did offer Marquez a fight but Marquez’ lot declined it calling it a chumps purse.

[DarkSpyder]

You see what I mean? This is the kind of BS that you get from biased English posters. This is why I don't even discuss guys like Hatton, cuz none of them have realistic perspectives on their countrymen's.

WTF? Talk about sweeping generalizations.

[Mr. Ryan]

WTF? Talk about sweeping generalizations.

Let's be real, all we see on this forum is about how Danny Williams is a God and Geoffhayes talking about how Calzaghe would destroy Sugar Ray Robinson. It's a little sickening at times.

[eazy_mas]

Let's be real, all we see on this forum is about how Danny Williams is a God and Geoffhayes talking about how Calzaghe would destroy Sugar Ray Robinson. It's a little sickening at times.

every human is bais these days.

in something in you for example many piony even dont watch boxing but love pac and the same with brit they support the countrymen.

[Mr. Ryan]

every human is bais these days.

in something in you for example many piony even dont watch boxing but love pac and the same with brit they support the countrymen.

I am very upset at PacLand often becuz alot of the posters are delusional. Talking about Randy Suico is a world beater, give me a break.

[K-Nan]

Weird works for a while. Hamed, while fast and powerful, won as much as he did primarily because of his awkwardness and those odd punches. Now a real fighter on here can correct me if I'm wrong; but there are essentially just a basic few styles you learn to fight in and when you spar you familiarize yourself with the other styles such as counter-puncher, boxer-puncher, slugger, swarmer, etc., even though each boxer makes or modifies a certain basic style into his own. You have an idea what to expect with most "orthodox" styles.

Hamed did have phenomenal talent, yes. I'm not saying he didn't; but his success was more attributed to his "gimmick style" IMO. He was awkward, unorthodox, etc and when a fighter faced him, there was no real way to prepare yourself for the goofy stuff Hamed would do, so he always had you off guard. My point is it's easier for a fighter to train for a variation of a "known" style than to train and take on a completely off thw wall style used by an athlete of above average physical talents.

Where Hamed ran into trouble was with a formerly top-notch south-paw, Kelley, and a true professional boxer in Barrera. I submit that Freddie Roach has greatly improved Manny's style and while he's still very aggressive and does get carried away some time, he is a southpaw which would be difficult for Hamed as it is for any southpaw to face another because it so rarely happens; and Manny could hurt him if if he hit him, was in possession of a Jack Dempseyesque or Mike Tysonesque killer instinct. Manny would smother Hamed and get so close to him that he wouldn't see Hamed's awkwardnes; and this would also take away Hamed's punching room, which would cut into his punches effectiveness.

Hamed would lose because his strengths would be taken away from him by his brand new pair of Pacquia underwear. Manny's aggressivneness would carry him to the promised land.

Yes, this is true, IF Manny could get inside. While I'm not saying Hamed is a faster puncher, he certainly has the stronger and more consistent, even akward jab. Manny would be facing a less plodding, stronger, stranger version of Marquez. I don't see Hamed NOT hurting Pac in the fight, becuase I think that he would get caught for the exact same reason you say Hamed would- those off balance lunges and flurries that Pac throws.

[eazy_mas]

I am very upset at PacLand often becuz alot of the posters are delusional. Talking about Randy Suico is a world beater, give me a break.

Randy is a great boxer and his debut fight at lightweight was with Daiz.

Sucio is good but he doesnt take his size effectivly and need a better trainer and coach.

there are alot of talents arounf the world there is no doubt about it.

but not everyone from this coutry is a champion or a superstar fighter too.

[GEOFFHAYES]

Weird works for a while. Hamed, while fast and powerful, won as much as he did primarily because of his awkwardness and those odd punches. Now a real fighter on here can correct me if I'm wrong; but there are essentially just a basic few styles you learn to fight in and when you spar you familiarize yourself with the other styles such as counter-puncher, boxer-puncher, slugger, swarmer, etc., even though each boxer makes or modifies a certain basic style into his own. You have an idea what to expect with most "orthodox" styles.

Hamed did have phenomenal talent, yes. I'm not saying he didn't; but his success was more attributed to his "gimmick style" IMO. He was awkward, unorthodox, etc and when a fighter faced him, there was no real way to prepare yourself for the goofy stuff Hamed would do, so he always had you off guard. My point is it's easier for a fighter to train for a variation of a "known" style than to train and take on a completely off thw wall style used by an athlete of above average physical talents.

Where Hamed ran into trouble was with a formerly top-notch south-paw, Kelley, and a true professional boxer in Barrera. I submit that Freddie Roach has greatly improved Manny's style and while he's still very aggressive and does get carried away some time, he is a southpaw which would be difficult for Hamed as it is for any southpaw to face another because it so rarely happens; and Manny could hurt him if if he hit him, was in possession of a Jack Dempseyesque or Mike Tysonesque killer instinct. Manny would smother Hamed and get so close to him that he wouldn't see Hamed's awkwardnes; and this would also take away Hamed's punching room, which would cut into his punches effectiveness.

Hamed would lose because his strengths would be taken away from him by his brand new pair of Pacquia underwear. Manny's aggressivneness would carry him to the promised land.

He was an Ingle fighter. Herol 'Bomber' Graham (most avoided fighter of all-time, before anybody knew of any Mike McCallum) created the fighting template for Ingle fighters, in the 70's. It was basically switch-hitting, reflexes, punching at odd angles etc but there's a lot of secrets to the style and the technique, apparently.

[GEOFFHAYES]

He was an Ingle fighter. Herol 'Bomber' Graham (most avoided fighter of all-time, before anybody knew of any Mike McCallum) created the fighting template for Ingle fighters, in the 70's. It was basically switch-hitting, reflexes, punching at odd angles etc but there's a lot of secrets to the style and the technique, apparently.

They developed 'bottom-heavy' physiques, using strong legs to add leverage to their leaping punches, also allowing them to dance out of trouble. They also learned fighters how to lean back so much that their backs were almost flat, then they'd do these kind of reps.