Amateur Records

[BuddyChacon]

How bout Duran and Chavez? They had very few amatuer fights it says.

Duran's record could be correct. I read somewhere he lost his first 3 straight as an amatuer.

[American_Ninja]

I can see your point John. But don't they verify all fights in Golden Gloves and Olympics? So like you said up until that point they could say anything. Then when they go into recognized tournaments the fights would be recorded with some agency. Personally, I would keep track of all my fights. Maybe not each opponents name but every W and L

[American_Ninja]

First, some all-time and almost greats:

Felix Savon (358-17) 387-21......................
Teofilo Stevenson (302-20) 302-22
Laszlo Papp (301-12-6)
Terry Norris (291-4)
Virgil Hill (250-11)
Mike McCallum (240-10)
Kennedy McKinney (214-13)
Pernell Whitaker (201-14) Correct
John Mugabi (195-5)
Vitali Klitschko (195-15)
Leon Spinks (181-9)
Sugar Ray Leonard (165-5)
Danny Romero (127-5)
Wilfredo Benitez (123-6)
Harry Arroyo (120-15)
Nino Benvenuti (119-1)
Jose Napoles (113-1)
Mark Breland (110-1)
Kid Chocolate (100-0)
Muhammad Ali (100-5) 99-8
Vinny Pazienza (100-12)
Meldrick Taylor (99-4)
Michael Carbajal (94-9)
Michael Spinks (93-7)
Tony Zale (87-8)
Sugar Ray Robinson (85-0)
Carlos Monzon (79-7)
Hector Camacho (75-4)
Maurice Blocker (73-3)
Roger Mayweather (64-4)
Simon Brown (63-2)
Willie Pep (62-3)
Yoko Gushiken (62-3)
Naseem Hamed (62-5)
Ingemar Johansson (61-10)
Alexis Arguello (58-2)
Wilfredo Gomez (58-2-1)
Henry Armstrong (58-4)
Marvin Hagler (55-1)
Felix Trinidad (51-6)
Joe Louis (50-4)
Azumah Nelson (50-2)
Michael Moorer (48-16)
Ray Mancini (43-7)
Ezzard Charles (42-0)
Nigel Benn (41-1)
Floyd Patterson (40-4)
Ricardo Lopez (37-1)
Benny Lynch (35-2)
Carlos Zarate (33-0)
Iran Barkley (30-4)
Edwin Rosario (30-2)
Vito Antuofermo (29-1)
Bobby Czyz (24-2)
Chiquita Gonzalez (23-0)
Jesse James Leija (23-5)
Chris Eubank (19-7)
Rocky Marciano (9-4) Correct
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Mike Tyson 48-6
Shane Mosley 250-16
Lennox Lewis 94-11
Ricky Hatton 73-7
Kostya Tszyu 270-12
Floyd Mayweather Jr. 84-6
Some current champions and contenders:

Oscar De La Hoya (223-5) Correct
Jeff Lacy (209-12)
Evander Holyfield (160-14) Correct
Wladimir Klitschko (134-6)
Zab Judah (110-5)
Erik Morales (108-6)
Diego Corrales (105-12)
Acelino Freitas (74-2)
Rosendo Alavarez (66-12)
Kassim Ouma (60-3)
Marco Antonio Barrera (56-4)
Ike Quartey (50-4)
Vivian Harris (45-5)
Juan Manuel Marquez (44-2)
Manuel Medina (40-6)
Jorge Arce (37-3)
Montell Griffin (36-5)
Antonio Margarito (21-3)
James Toney (20-2)
Jean-Marc Mormeck (13-2)
Nikolai Valuev (12-3)
Roy Jones Jr. 121-13
Chris Byrd 275- ?
The reverse can also be true for relatively modest amateur boxers. Future greats Julio Cesar Chavez (14-1), Roberto Duran (13-3), Buddy McGirt (54-9), James Toney (20-2), and Larry Holmes (19-3) are examples of men who perfected their craft in the pro rings. Ironically, they did so on the undercards of Olympic medalists they would later eclipse. While Chris Eubank (19-7), being a later starter to boxing while living in the States, perfected his craft in the gym over here before going back to Europe and becoming one of the most successful European boxers of all-time.

I added a few names and updated the records. The more modern fighters records are more accurate.

[BuddyChacon]

I added a few names and updated the records. The more modern fighters records are more accurate.

Tyson has been reported at 24-5 or something like that also. Sugar Ray Robinson is known to be wrong since Billy Graham beat him. I have seen boxing books from the forties with whole chapters on Graham as an amatuer. He was supposed to win titles left and right when he turned pro. De La Hoya went undefeated for like 5 yrs or so as an amatuer I know losing once before the Olympics in 92.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

yup. In Sugar Ray's book he himself talks about Graham beating him so there goes the 85-0 theory. They keep track of GG tourneys, olympics etc BUT they dont keep track of your record..they just keep track of each individual tournament.. they are annual tournaments so a lot goes on in between. The only guy who I know has a verifiable record is Breland's 110-1... Darryl Anthony beat him in 1981... if anybody else beat him i'm sure SOMEONE would have mentioned it by now

[jabsRstiff]

I had the privilege of seeing a lot of Mark Breland's amateur fights, thanks to the excellent coverage given to amateur boxing back in the early 80's.
Let me tell you, knowing Breland was going to be fighting was every bit as exciting as a fight between some of the better pros.
Breland fought everyone from around the world, & usually KO'd them in spectacular fashion.

[Phantasm]

I've always wondered how Savon and Stevenson would have done if they would have gone pro. I think I read somewhere that Ali thought Stevenson would have been an all time great.

[BuddyChacon]

I've always wondered how Savon and Stevenson would have done if they would have gone pro. I think I read somewhere that Ali thought Stevenson would have been an all time great.

Savon was knocked out numerous times as an amateur and his chin wouldn't have held up.

[jabsRstiff]

Gotta remember....
Savon & Stevenson were full grown men KOing guys around the 20 year-old mark.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

You are right about Breland as an amateur..when he was on network TV on the weekends it was like a big fight involving a top pro... I mean, his New York City GG title win was shown on ABC!! Back then the top amateurs were STARS and Mark scored some wicked knockouts along the way.