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**Easy-E** · 01-06-2007, 03:33 AM

Morales, Gatti.
Lets see a non weight drained Vargas before we decide he is totally shot.

**Addison** · 01-06-2007, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by PBF34

Morales, Gatti.
Lets see a non weight drained Vargas before we decide he is totally shot.

Alright. But the guy looked half shot after De La Hoya.

It's been slide time ever since.

I think Morales and Gatti have better reflexes and speed than Vargas, left.

**BmoreBrawler** · 01-06-2007, 03:48 AM

Gatti can still win, he just cant and really never could compete with the best. Morales is pretty shot, but I'd say Holyfield is the most shot. If Oqeundo hadnt fought such a lame fight he couldve won.

**Easy-E** · 01-06-2007, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by BmoreBrawler

Gatti can still win, he just cant and really never could compete with the best. Morales is pretty shot, but I'd say Holyfield is the most shot. If Oqeundo hadnt fought such a lame fight he couldve won.

He did get knocked out by Baldomir, though.
And badly.
It was very un Gatti like, and led me to believe his career is over.
Morales is totally done. He quit for gods sakes!

**LOLORSKATES** · 01-06-2007, 04:27 AM

I hate to say it but Roy may be shot just as anyone else. He can probably still whip numerous boxers, but competing against the big names will prove to be tragic.

**Addison** · 01-06-2007, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by 4CornerMessiah

I hate to say it but Roy may be shot just as anyone else. He can probably still whip numerous boxers, but competing against the big names will prove to be tragic.

That may be. He's mentally shot especially.

Physically he's slowed too.

**LOLORSKATES** · 01-06-2007, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by addisonrock

That may be. He's mentally shot especially.

Physically he's slowed too.

Yes his hand speed is still above average, but it's a lot slower than how quick he had it before. It was nice to see him able to work combos like he did against Ajamu.

**Addison** · 01-06-2007, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by 4CornerMessiah

Yes his hand speed is still above average, but it's a lot slower than how quick he had it before. It was nice to see him able to work combos like he did against Ajamu.

You could see his tremendous lack of self confidence in that fight.

Roy lost his confidence.

**LOLORSKATES** · 01-06-2007, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by addisonrock

You could see his tremendous lack of self confidence in that fight.

Roy lost his confidence.

I would to considering Ajamu came out in the 1st round just chasing Roy and that's the same thing that happened to him against Glen, but he's lucky Ajamu isn't exactly Glen in any shape or form.

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