Sweet Pea etc on ESPN Classic.

[DiegoFuego]

The only way to abuse alcohol is to not drink it

[ferocity]

I'm not sure I've heard different thing's but I have family in the tidewater area, and in VA it's known or assumed that he atleast dabbled before then. In that time it's not to suprising, even watching that second Buddy fight he seemed to be getting hit alot more and off balance more compared to the 1st fight or earlier fight's. Shows how good he was and though he lost to tito he definitely showed heart and did well to not be himself IMO. Ferocity you got the 1st rivera fight?

I wish i did. I only got the second one. I had posted it up awhile back. If you want a dubb let me know. I'll put it up. I remember a lot of people that Rivera had been robbed in the first fight. The second fight seemed closer but even with the knock down, it seemed to me that Rivera had won. And when Larry Merchant interviews the loser...allows the loser to talk, then you know the loser is really the winner or that he gave a great fight. With Rivera, imo, it was becausee Larry Merchant felt Rivera won. And remembe, Delahoya v. Whitiker negotiations were already going on so Whitiker had to win to get that fight..........Rivera just had the perfect style against Whitiker.

[Run]

Whitaker was said to have been struggling with alcohol abuse and ******* abuse well before the De La hoya fight.

I haven't heard anything that documents his ******* habit that accurately, but there are sources that said he was struggling with coke several months before he was slated to fight DLH. He was said have been abusing alcohol for years before that.

Yeah I always wondered how he stayed in such great shape despite his vices. I mean.....he was in shape shape.

Usually guys don't put the effort in the gym when they're hungover or haven't slept for a couple of days because they're wired.



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[Run]

The only way to abuse alcohol is to not drink it

Thanks.

I'll keep that in mind when I read some of your bull**** rants about Taylor. Then I'll just point to the post that gives me the impression that you're drunk when you type these rants.



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[beezy 14]

I downloaded the 2nd fight and I felt P won but it was a good fight and I remember the commentators dissagreeing with some of the scores I believe but agreeing Pernell won. I haven't seeen the first fight though so can't comment on that one. Ferocity was it closer then the 2nd fight?

[brownpimp88]

Whitaker put up better performances out of his prime than leonard did. Leonard got flat out owned by norris, whitaker was never dominated like that against trinidad. The funny thing is that trinidad is much bigger than whitaker too. Pernell has to be top 15 pound for pound, easily. He's beat like 13/14 good- decent fighters, chavez has beat like 8.

Bert sugar has no credibility in my eyes, he favours old farts. Pernell is #48 according to him and spinks isn't even top 100, thats just ******. He can favour the guys from the 1910's as much as he wants, i dont care.

[ferocity]

I downloaded the 2nd fight and I felt P won but it was a good fight and I remember the commentators dissagreeing with some of the scores I believe but agreeing Pernell won. I haven't seeen the first fight though so can't comment on that one. Ferocity was it closer then the 2nd fight?

Its been years since i've seen the first fight, so i don't recall. How did you score the 2nd fight - if you kept track of the scores round by round.

[ferocity]

Whitaker put up better performances out of his prime than leonard did. Leonard got flat out owned by norris, whitaker was never dominated like that against trinidad. The funny thing is that trinidad is much bigger than whitaker too. Pernell has to be top 15 pound for pound, easily. He's beat like 13/14 good- decent fighters, chavez has beat like 8.

Bert sugar has no credibility in my eyes, he favours old farts. Pernell is #48 according to him and spinks isn't even top 100, thats just ******. He can favour the guys from the 1910's as much as he wants, i dont care.

He fought with Trinidad, and boxed with Delahoya. Had he fought with Delahoya as he did with Trinidad, Delahoya would have hurt him.

[Run]

Whitaker put up better performances out of his prime than leonard did. Leonard got flat out owned by norris, whitaker was never dominated like that against trinidad. The funny thing is that trinidad is much bigger than whitaker too. Pernell has to be top 15 pound for pound, easily. He's beat like 13/14 good- decent fighters, chavez has beat like 8.

Bert sugar has no credibility in my eyes, he favours old farts. Pernell is #48 according to him and spinks isn't even top 100, thats just ******. He can favour the guys from the 1910's as much as he wants, i dont care.

Yeah rankings wise I'd have to re assess Whitaker.

As for the bolded: That's more of the stay too long critiquing.

Whitaker and Leonard were both washed up when they lost to Norris and Trinidad. Those losses really don't have any bearing on their all time ranking in my opinion. Much like Evander Holyfield.



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[beezy 14]

To be honest ferocity I haden't seen the fight and when I saw it posted I d/l it and watched it just for enjoyment because I like Pernell, but without scoring it I felt that P won a good fight. Now I'm interested in getting that first fight to check it out because I enjoyed the 2nd one.