** The HW division, what a farse...**

[Derranged_]

Byrd when into that fight with a suisadale game plan..and it work he got creamed.....Vladdy can beat all the small HW's he wants I am not convinced on the guy yet....

I'm not convinced yet either but I don't think anyone in current crop gives him any trouble except maybe Valuev. And that matchup (Valuev-Klitchko) is unlikely to happen as long as King is controlling Valuev.

The best possible scenario next year is that Wlad unifies the WBC-IBF belts then defends it against some decent opposition like Toney, Peter, Brewster, etc.

[Orishaman]

I'm not convinced yet either but I don't think anyone in current crop gives him any trouble except maybe Valuev. And that matchup (Valuev-Klitchko) is unlikely to happen as long as King is controlling Valuev.

The best possible scenario next year is that Wlad unifies the WBC-IBF belts then defends it against some decent opposition like Toney, Peter, Brewster, etc.

I will not count Sam Peter out as of yet....and Vladdy will have to give him a rematch sometime soon....

[GranTorino]

Man that's a lot of wasted word just to say what you claimed ont he last sentence...

Dude:

Vladdy, didn't took Peter's best shot, last I remembered he was down 3 times if I dont recall wrong...and he did waht Emanuel teach him grab, grag . grab...

If you know boxing dude, you should know that Vladimir has mayor flaws on his balance and footwork, he relies on his jab and jab/hook and it served him well but by the same token it has limits his ability to "really" control a fight with his footwork, the fact that he has won most his fight is a tribute to his upper strenght and size, basically he is an arm puncher, very seldon he put the weight of his body behind his punches...

And yes he has a glass chin, how many times he has been down, come dude you know that...

and for rematches...all I have to say is Joe Louis bro...he wanted to avenge his losses or even questionable wins as soon as possible, Vladdy just don;t have this drive, and IMO he has been shielded for obvious reasons from the heavy punchers..the fact that he took the Peter fight was due to the fact of Peter inexperience and height disavantage...which at the end of the day gave the win to Vladdy....

So what else that head of your can produce...come....

"Man that's a lot of wasted word just to say what you claimed ont he last sentence..."

They're only wasted words if they didn't get through you're hate-addled brain and show you the illogic of your thought processes in this matter. But apparently you dont believe in reason or logic. If you did, the words would not be wasted. Its a shame really, but I honestly didnt expect you to come around anyway. But hey, I tried.


"and he did waht Emanuel teach him grab, grag . grab"

And as you may recall, George Foreman himself; former HW champ and boxing LEGEND (are YOU a boxing legend? I dont think so) said himself that this was SMART BOXING, you ******. He said you do what you have to do to take away the other guys advantage. I would imagine this is something a boxing trainer like you claim to be would know. Im beginning to think that you really arent a trainer, cause if you are, your fighters are lucky to win fights if they listen to you.
"Vladdy, didn't took Peter's best shot"


He didnt? That wasn't a big left hook that I saw Peter hit Wlad with? You might want to watch the fight again, there, big boy. And it's the same punch he laid out Jeremy Williams, and Taurus Sykes with. His big money punch. Unless you consider the rabbit punch to the back of the head Peter's best punch. Cause he does love to use it.


"last I remembered he was down 3 times "

In that respect, you have a selective memory. True, the ref did call three knockdowns, but if you have eyes and saw the replays of the knockdowns, or if you have ears and heard what the commentators, one of them a former HW champion by the name of George Foreman, you know that at least two of them were not legit, and resulted from Wlad being PUSHED to the canvas, not the result of any punch being landed by Peter. If you like, I'll post a clip of it, and prove you wrong. This is why I say all you've done is jump on the Hey-everyone-lets-hate-Wlad bandwagon.


"If you know boxing dude, you should know that Vladimir has mayor flaws on his balance and footwork,"

I seem to recall him being called by many boxing analysts as the most agile big boxer they have ever seen. And in fact, this is one of the reasons Manny Steward chose to train Wlad for. But I suppose you know more than they do.

"he relies on his jab and jab/hook and it served him well but by the same token it has limits his ability to "really" control a fight "

Seems to me, control the fight with his jab is EXACTLY what he does, and in fact, it's key to his winning. Just ask Sam Peter, who got his ass pummelled with it all night long before losing the fight. Or ask Chris Byrd who was nailed with it constantly or ask Calvin Brock, or any of the other opponents that have lost to Wlad. You idiot.

"And yes he has a glass chin, how many times he has been down, come dude you know that"

Nothing wrong with his chin. If you actually saw his fights, you'd know that many of the KDs he's been counted at were bogus, just like with Peter's kds. They weren't legit. Would you like me to a video clip to prove this? I'll be happy to do it.

"Vladdy just don;t have this drive"
So you CAN read Wlad's mind? You know what his thoughts and emotions are? How do you do it?


"he has been shielded for obvious reasons from the heavy punchers"

You mean like he was "shielded from fighting the biggest puncher in the division? Oh that's right. HE DID FIGHT HIM. So much for your "shield" idea.

"So what else that head of your can produce...come...."

It's really the LACK of what your head is able to produce that really astonishes me here. You're getting proven wrong right and left, and yet you blindly, idiotically (you may have to look that one up) charge ahead, refusing to believe what has been proven to you to be true.

It's like talking to a child with you. Really. Sheesh.

[joeytrimble]

you guys dont get too bent this is the same dumb **** on east side that went around trying to tell anybody that'd listen that james quick tillis shoulda won the tyson fight or that it was super super razor close and coulda went either way

hes a conformed racist too in those parts

[Tysonisgod]

Peter is no big deal in the heavyweight divison, i dont see him winning a title, and if he does, he will lose it just as fast, he couldnt beat toney, which is no soft touch but hes ment to be this amazing puncher, i didnt see any good punch power from that fight, toney hopefully beats him in the next fight, bust him up real good, everyone else is a win or lose fight, the HW is ok right now cos everyone will just fight each other i dont mind it to much, at least the Heavys have been fighting each other, guys at 140 just run their mouths

[BrooklynBomber]

you guys dont get too bent this is the same dumb **** on east side that went around trying to tell anybody that'd listen that james quick tillis shoulda won the tyson fight or that it was super super razor close and coulda went either way

hes a conformed racist too in those parts

Hence my comment about space running out on the other forum.

[77Ritchie77]

okay let me put my positive spin on the heavyweight division
ill start with the title holders...
wlad.... big ****in jab bigger right hand, not too many people can take more than one or two right hands from wlad as we saw in both the byrd and brock fights, you have to have an above average chin (such as a sam peter chin) to even compete with wlad. you also have to have a lot of speed because if you dont, your hands wont matter because you will hit wlad so few times hell still win, corrie sanders is the type of fighter who will always have wlads number, fast heavy hands, thats the only recipe to beat klitschko and right now there isnt anybody with those fast heavy hands, to go with a great chin.

Valuev is the bigges man to ever put on the gloves, it'll be itneresting to see a gameplan that does beat him because so far we haven't

shannon briggs - PR machine to begin with, as we saw can win a fight with one punhc, but he's in my needs to go column, the public cannot wait 35:59 to see one lucky punch land after not moving out of a 3 x 3 circle for that entire time.

maskaev - has to and will go in his next fight, wlad peter and toney will all defeat him, hopefully it will be wlad because that would bring us to a recognizedn champion, but if it isn't him, thank the WBC not teh fighters.

Theres also many young fighters about a year away from being really good.
Americans such as Malik Scott, and Kevin Johnson will likely step up a lot in 07 and content for a title in 08

Same goes for Europenas Sacha Dimitrenko , and also Alexander Povetkin who has faced great ocmpetition in his first 10 fights.

These four will likely all be champions in the future, and they will have plenty of washed up journeymen to retire along the way (Mccline, Holyfield, Mccall, Moore, Danny Williams, Hasim Rahman, etec.)

[The Surgeon]

The Heavy weights bore me!

[The Wire]

It's in a bad state at the moment but I think it's just about starting to rise up again. Hopefully we'll see Wlad/Maskaev soon to unify 2 of the belts, and with fighters like Sam Peter, Povetkin, Harrison (?!!), Toney, Scott, Greenberg etc it could get a bit better.

OK actually no, it's completely ****ed for the forseeable future, although I must say I see Wlad dominating from now and I think he can be a good champion.

[The Surgeon]

It's in a bad state at the moment but I think it's just about starting to rise up again. Hopefully we'll see Wlad/Maskaev soon to unify 2 of the belts, and with fighters like Sam Peter, Povetkin, Harrison (?!!), Toney, Scott, Greenberg etc it could get a bit better.

OK actually no, it's completely ****ed for the forseeable future, although I must say I see Wlad dominating from now and I think he can be a good champion.

Lol I agree mate!