Hamed's power

[Left2body]

Sorry,

I meant to put how I don't agree Hamed is anything close to Pac's physical talent. Hamed was quick and savvy, but about three leagues down from Pac. Pac would have wiped the floor with Hamed. Pac is so much more physically talented than Hamed.

Ian

Cool, I just respectfully disagree. I think Pac is the much better fighter even against a priime Hamed I just dont think he was physically more talented.

Hamed was able to generate a lot of power with punches that should'nt have had power based on the angles he was throwing at i.e. lead upper cuts thrown off his back foot. He had great upper body dexterity and tremendous reflexes.

To me its similar to Zab vs PBF. Zab is probably more talented than PBF but PBF is the more skilled. Zab showed that he has at the very least equal speed to PBF and we know he has more power but PBF has complimented his talent with tremendous skill.

Hamed and Pac to me is very similar to that. Pac to me is probably slightly less physically talented but developed into a much more soundly skilled fighter than Hamed ever was.

[Exige Jr]

Barrera said Pac didn't hit as hard as Hamed? That's strange....considering that he got his ass planted to the canvas by Pac while Hamed barely touched him. Pac is at 130 now and he's pretty much all muscle.

And the reason why people hate Hamed is coz he's arrogant, he's ****y, he thinks he's handsome, I hated they way he fought Soto - which was a complete joke and more like a wrestling match than a boxing match.

Soto is a dirty fighter who constantly clinched, hit after the bell in about 8 of the 12 rounds and never listened to referee's instructions. He used headbutts and lowblows and had a point deducted for it. He wasn't in Hamed's league as far as skill goes and neither is Pac for the record. So he had to do something didn't he? He couldn't deal with the power and speed so he tried to wrestle. Watch any other Hamed fight and tell me if it was Hamed who was wrestling or Soto, because I have seen his whole career start to finish and Hamed never uses dirty tactics on anyone.

[Exige Jr]

Cool, I just respectfully disagree. I think Pac is the much better fighter even against a priime Hamed I just dont think he was physically more talented.

Hamed was able to generate a lot of power with punches that should'nt have had power based on the angles he was throwing at i.e. lead upper cuts thrown off his back foot. He had great upper body dexterity and tremendous reflexes.

To me its similar to Zab vs PBF. Zab is probably more talented than PBF but PBF is the more skilled. Zab showed that he has at the very least equal speed to PBF and we know he has more power but PBF has complimented his talent with tremendous skill.

Hamed and Pac to me is very similar to that. Pac to me is probably slightly less physically talented but developed into a much more soundly skilled fighter than Hamed ever was.

Which Hamed fights have you seen?

[ianwigley]

Cool, I just respectfully disagree. I think Pac is the much better fighter even against a priime Hamed I just dont think he was physically more talented.

Hamed was able to generate a lot of power with punches that should'nt have had power based on the angles he was throwing at i.e. lead upper cuts thrown off his back foot. He had great upper body dexterity and tremendous reflexes.

To me its similar to Zab vs PBF. Zab is probably more talented than PBF but PBF is the more skilled. Zab showed that he has at the very least equal speed to PBF and we know he has more power but PBF has complimented his talent with tremendous skill.

Hamed and Pac to me is very similar to that. Pac to me is probably slightly less physically talented but developed into a much more soundly skilled fighter than Hamed ever was.

Props

Very good post. I'll look again at Hamed, and also PBF/Judah, try and make sense of what you just said.

How do you rate De La Hoya and Morales against Hamed, Judah, Pac and Floyd physically?

Ian

Ian

[ianwigley]

Which Hamed fights have you seen?

Just about all of them.

Saw him in his hey-day, saw him when he was coming up.

Jumped up wanker, basically.

Ian

[ianwigley]

Soto is a dirty fighter who constantly clinched, hit after the bell in about 8 of the 12 rounds and never listened to referee's instructions. He used headbutts and lowblows and had a point deducted for it. He wasn't in Hamed's league as far as skill goes and neither is Pac for the record. So he had to do something didn't he? He couldn't deal with the power and speed so he tried to wrestle. Watch any other Hamed fight and tell me if it was Hamed who was wrestling or Soto, because I have seen his whole career start to finish and Hamed never uses dirty tactics on anyone.

Pac's not in Hamed's league?

****ing hell...you just made yourself the laughing stock of boxingscene.com.

Only way Pac isn't in Hamed's league is because Pac is ten or eleven leagues above him.

Ian

[Left2body]

Which Hamed fights have you seen?

Pretty much all his fights from Hardy to Barrear, I didn't see his last fight with Calvo in full just some highlight clips. I have a friend who fights in UK and he brings me back tons of Video's and now DVD's of fights that I wouldn't normally see here in the states. BTW he is also training under Graham.

[Left2body]

Props

Very good post. I'll look again at Hamed, and also PBF/Judah, try and make sense of what you just said.

How do you rate De La Hoya and Morales against Hamed, Judah, Pac and Floyd physically?

Ian

Ian

Look at the PBF/Judah fight its a good one to judge how fast Judah is. You can see he is countering PBF and appears just as fast if not faster in the early rounds. I just wanna stress I'm not saying who the better fighter is, just the pure raw physical talent.

[Exige Jr]

Pac's not in Hamed's league?

****ing hell...you just made yourself the laughing stock of boxingscene.com.

Only way Pac isn't in Hamed's league is because Pac is ten or eleven leagues above him.

Ian

My statement remains.

Pac isnt in Hamed's league as far as skill goes. Are you dis*****g this?

[PATO 1]

skill wise he aint, but heart an bollocks wise hes in a totally different league