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  • oldgringo
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    #21
    I have my theory as to how Cotto should approach the fight. Of course he may not fight Floyd the way I think he should/would.

    If the fight came off, I would hope that somebody in Cotto's camp would tell him to throw caution to the wind. Cotto would need to understand that Floyd is going to hit him and often like he does everyone.

    Floyd Mayweather cannot hurt Miguel Cotto. With the strength and effective pressure that Miguel Cotto brings to the table, Floyd would not be around long enough to sit down on a punch and badly damage Cotto. He'd have to stay moving like he did with Baldomir.

    Emmanuel Steward gave Jermain Taylor excellent advice in his bout with Cory Spinks (which, not surprisingly, Taylor didn't listen to). He essentially told Jermain to not worry about getting hit because Spinks couldn't dent tin foil. He was pleading with him to just let his hands go. That would have almost certainly led to Jermain catching Cory with something huge over a Spinks jab or left hand.

    I think Cotto could employ that same idea. Castillo was able to do the same type of thing in spots over their first two fights. Miguel Cotto is a bigger, scarier Jose Luis Castillo. His ability to pressure his opponents, his body punching, his speed, his skill and his knack for adapting to his opponents would give him a great shot at beating Floyd.

    I thought Cotto could do it back in the day and I think he can do it now. I believe Cotto is THE fighter to beat Floyd Mayweather, if anyone can...

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    • AntonTheMeh
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      #22
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      that's how i see it.

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      • Sweet Pete
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        #23
        Originally posted by Azteca
        i think cotto is too slow and economical to be a factor to floyd's welterweight reign. he would be able to dig in some body punches but it would be similiar to palamino - benitez where cotto would have his moments in the corners but floyd would eventually have his way and he would counterpunch cotto to a pretty clear points decision.

        what are your thoughts on this potential fight?
        Floyd fought a similar, yet less skilled and less dangerous version of Cotto at a smaller weight in Castillo and had his hands full, so I can only imagine how much of a challenge he'll have with Cotto at WW. I think Cotto may be the one to beat him.

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        • Newyorkknicks07
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          I think we saw in the fight with Mosley that Cotto picked up some hand speed, which could be a real factor should this fight happen. Sure, Cotto isn't the quickest boxer ever but if he can keep that hand-speed and combine it with his usual acurate punches, it'll make for a good bout. Better then Hatton-Mayweather, for sure.

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          • wmute
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            #25
            To me the fighters presenting Maywaether with the most problems are:

            HATTON: the pressure fighter with the most footspeed and handspeed available in boxing right now. He is one ofthe fastest fighters I have ever seen at closing the distance. If his arms were long enough to create problems to Mayweather with jabs, I would be putting my money on him.
            With these odds, I might still put money on him. What matters is that this should be a great fight.

            Williams: reach + workrate, no KO power but still Mayweather would definitely need to pull out something we did not see for this one, form his vaunted bag of tricks.

            WHY I rate the other welters below in terms of their chances against Mayweather:

            COTTO: although his form is more polished than Hatton he does not use as many angles and he is not in perpetual motion as Hatton is on the inside (I would probably still pick Cotto to beat Hatton, but this is about Mayweather and Cotto). His power jab is a plus, but he is one tick of the clocjk away from Hatton, and two away from Mayweather. After the Mosley fight I pretty much cancelled my doubts on his chin, but I am not impressed by his speed or defense, as I believe Mosley at 36 might still have the pop, but certainly lost some speed.

            MARGARITO: slow, throws looping telegraphed shots.

            CINTRON: not enough output, too straightforward, let's see if he gets better.

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            • C'MONMANG'
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              #26
              Originally posted by Azteca
              i think cotto is too slow and economical to be a factor to floyd's welterweight reign. he would be able to dig in some body punches but it would be similiar to palamino - benitez where cotto would have his moments in the corners but floyd would eventually have his way and he would counterpunch cotto to a pretty clear points decision.

              what are your thoughts on this potential fight?
              WHAT REIGN??

              he aint even fighting WELTERS!

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              • Azteca
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                #27
                Originally posted by oldgringo
                I have my theory as to how Cotto should approach the fight. Of course he may not fight Floyd the way I think he should/would.

                If the fight came off, I would hope that somebody in Cotto's camp would tell him to throw caution to the wind. Cotto would need to understand that Floyd is going to hit him and often like he does everyone.

                Floyd Mayweather cannot hurt Miguel Cotto. With the strength and effective pressure that Miguel Cotto brings to the table, Floyd would not be around long enough to sit down on a punch and badly damage Cotto. He'd have to stay moving like he did with Baldomir.

                Emmanuel Steward gave Jermain Taylor excellent advice in his bout with Cory Spinks (which, not surprisingly, Taylor didn't listen to). He essentially told Jermain to not worry about getting hit because Spinks couldn't dent tin foil. He was pleading with him to just let his hands go. That would have almost certainly led to Jermain catching Cory with something huge over a Spinks jab or left hand.

                I think Cotto could employ that same idea. Castillo was able to do the same type of thing in spots over their first two fights. Miguel Cotto is a bigger, scarier Jose Luis Castillo. His ability to pressure his opponents, his body punching, his speed, his skill and his knack for adapting to his opponents would give him a great shot at beating Floyd.

                I thought Cotto could do it back in the day and I think he can do it now. I believe Cotto is THE fighter to beat Floyd Mayweather, if anyone can...
                Floyd is not a power puncher, but he sure as hell isn't a powder puff. He has the type of power that stings you more then hurts you which is why even world class fighters like DLH dont just go all out on him.

                There IS a reason why fighter's respect his power.

                I just personally think that Cotto is too economical. Plus he has never, ever been with the type of guy that moves quite like Mayweather. It's not even the lateral movement either. It's the subtle fakes and head feints. He would be trying to land the big shot and get outworked in the process.

                Just my two cents.

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                • Azteca
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by wmute
                  To me the fighters presenting Maywaether with the most problems are:

                  HATTON: the pressure fighter with the most footspeed and handspeed available in boxing right now. He is one ofthe fastest fighters I have ever seen at closing the distance. If his arms were long enough to create problems to Mayweather with jabs, I would be putting my money on him.
                  With these odds, I might still put money on him. What matters is that this should be a great fight.

                  Williams: reach + workrate, no KO power but still Mayweather would definitely need to pull out something we did not see for this one, form his vaunted bag of tricks.

                  WHY I rate the other welters below in terms of their chances against Mayweather:

                  COTTO: although his form is more polished than Hatton he does not use as many angles and he is not in perpetual motion as Hatton is on the inside (I would probably still pick Cotto to beat Hatton, but this is about Mayweather and Cotto). His power jab is a plus, but he is one tick of the clocjk away from Hatton, and two away from Mayweather. After the Mosley fight I pretty much cancelled my doubts on his chin, but I am not impressed by his speed or defense, as I believe Mosley at 36 might still have the pop, but certainly lost some speed.

                  MARGARITO: slow, throws looping telegraphed shots.

                  CINTRON: not enough output, too straightforward, let's see if he gets better.
                  I agree with most of this.

                  I don't feel Williams is an elite level fighter. I just dont. Something about him just does not seem right.

                  I feel the job he did on Margarito has become real overated. I mean, I've even heard people compare him to Hearns. Hearns had a jab, coordination, athleticism, speed, the whole works. Hearns was an enigma at welter and a complete fighter.

                  This kid Williams is terrible. Mark my words: he gets knocked out by a big puncher who can pull the trigger on quick shots. And Floyd in my opinion would dominate him.

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                    #29
                    Azteca,

                    I don;t usually disagree with you but I do on this one. I saw the same thing as you when Cotto was campainging at 140 but I don;t see it playing out the same way at 147. Besides, it seems like Cotto is always getting better while Floyd is getting more defensive.

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                    • Azteca
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Newyorkknicks07
                      I think we saw in the fight with Mosley that Cotto picked up some hand speed, which could be a real factor should this fight happen. Sure, Cotto isn't the quickest boxer ever but if he can keep that hand-speed and combine it with his usual acurate punches, it'll make for a good bout. Better then Hatton-Mayweather, for sure.
                      It's not even Cotto's hand or foot speed. It's his movement as a whole. He moves stiff and slow. He's real sturdy with good balance but he uses no movement. All i see him do is thread the singles, and you cant do that to Floyd Mayweather. In my opinion..

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