Calzaghe-Taylor Possible For 2007

[El Jesus]

. And the point you mention about Judah fighting a Mexican in L.A. is not a regional issue. There are Mexican-Americans everywhere in the U.S., and a non-Mexican American fighting a Mexican is always going to be placed in front of split crowd

Thats bull****, if judah fights a mexican in new york city its going to be a pro judah crowd i garuntee it.

Whereas judah fighting in LA, with a huge mexican following, against a mexican not only is a reigonal issue, its an obvious fact. I live in california, i understand these dynamics pretty well, there are mexicans all over america, but there is every nationality/race scattered all over america, but there are more concentrated areas of people in some areas than there are in others, thats also a fact. come on man, dont be rediculous, you live here, you should know better.

Judah is 5,000 miles from LA, why the **** would he have half the fans? Andre Ward is from oakland, when he fights in san jose, he gets a decent crowd in his favor, because hes from here. but if he fights outside of the california, that crowd shrinks in his favor. its DEFINATELY reigonal. If it wasnt, why would Floyd Mayweather be booed the entire Gatti fight, and beloved in the Judah fight? Why would pernell whitaker be Booed like crazy at the start of Chavez/Whitaker IN SAN ANTONIO TEXAS in front of 50,000 people who were mostly pro mexican? I garuntee you that fight takes place in philly, its a pro Whitaker crowd.

Best yet, Corey spinks, he draw 10,000 in his favor against anyone in St Louis, take him out of that area, he gets booed.

You should know better.

But I suppose it could be anywhere in America and Taylor will still have the majority of the crowd behind him.

against joe, yes, but why should joe never have to face a hostile crowd his entire career? There will still be some fans backing him in america, whereas, not too many people are gonna go to wales to support taylor. look at hatton/collazo, half the fans were in hattons favor.

[kayjay]

But I suppose it could be anywhere in America and Taylor will still have the majority of the crowd behind him.

Against Calzaghe, certainly.

Sure if Taylor fought Hopkins in AC it would be a pro-Hopkins crowd. But doesn't Hatton get as much support in Manchester against another English fighter.

There is much less cultural variation among U.S. States than there is among regions in most European countries. In so many cases the 'nations' are relatively young whereas the regions have their own history, culture, language or dialect, etc. In the U.S. that is not the case, except for Boston, Philly, and some parts of ******ia. I don't think most Americans are very aware of having a regional identity.

I've never understood why Black Jesus thinks differently about this.

[El Jesus]

There is much less cultural variation among U.S. States than there is among regions in most European countries. In so many cases the 'nations' are relatively young whereas the regions have their own history, culture, language or dialect, etc. In the U.S. that is not the case, except for Boston, Philly, and some parts of ******ia. I don't think most Americans are very aware of having a regional identity.

I've never understood why Black Jesus thinks differently about this.

That is such a rediculous statement im not even going to bother saying anything more on the subject.

[kayjay]

That is such a rediculous statement im not even going to bother saying anything more on the subject.

Whatever, let's not get upset. Maybe to you an Italian is an Italian and a Frenchman a Frenchman, but to a Venetian a Roman and a Napolitano are practically foreigners and 'Italy' is a relatively new abstraction. IN Germany this is more pronounced. In America nothing similar is the case. You do have certain variations in ethnic immigration which is what you're referring to. But do you consider yourself a 'Californian'?

What percentage of people who live in California can say their grandparents were born there?

[Em1]

The fact remains that an American boxer does not get the whole country behind him. Period. That **** doesn't happen anymore and won't happen anymore because boxing support in America is much more racial and cultural since the life of the sport (all the fights and fighters) lives here. We don't get one guy who gets real good and climbs to the top of the sport, we get most of them. And then those who are not born here, still live here and become Americanized. So we have a lot choices and people tend to support their own much more here than get behind one guy.

[Shanus]

against joe, yes, but why should joe never have to face a hostile crowd his entire career? There will still be some fans backing him in america, whereas, not too many people are gonna go to wales to support taylor. look at hatton/collazo, half the fans were in hattons favor.

Don't misunderstand what I meant, I was just pointing it out.. I wasn't making an excuse for why he shouldn't fight in the states, because he should.

[Guest]

In america..when you fight outside of your home state, unless your in vegas, more than likely your in hostile territory, remember, were not a small island, were a huge country.

In england, you guys have far more beloved fighters that are backed by the entire country, we dont have that here, in america its all about reigons.

Zab Judah fighting a mexican in the staples center is going to be hostile territory for him. A mexican fighting miguel cotto in madison square garden is hostile territory for that mexican.

Thats why fighting in america is such an important thing because here, you dont get an entire crowd behind you garunteed against someone who isnt american, whereas in england, if your a big fighter there, youll get the support of the entire country

I take the point to an EXTENT, but when it develops into "all Europeans should come to the US to show they can fight" (as it frequently does) then you have to look at who has the most belt title holders (US or Europe?) and question the validity of such an argument.

From the other side of the coin, you've also got situations like Sturm coming to the States and arguably getting stiffed, and Robin Reid's reception against Jeff Lacy, which wasn't exactly a partisan crowd.

[Guest]

Don't misunderstand what I meant, I was just pointing it out.. I wasn't making an excuse for why he shouldn't fight in the states, because he should.

Yep, there's no reason why he shouldn't (and in fact, as I pointed out earlier, he has already said he would) it's just a shame that any discussion of it has already been perverted by 15-year-olds shouting " "


So.... Blow vs. Taylor? Who wins?

[-Hyperion-]

this fight wont happen cause winky will beat taylor again before, but if The Taylor camp dont give 50% to winky and theres no rematch, then calzaghe beats taylor.

[Shanus]

Yep, there's no reason why he shouldn't (and in fact, as I pointed out earlier, he has already said he would) it's just a shame that any discussion of it has already been perverted by 15-year-olds shouting " "


So.... Blow vs. Taylor? Who wins?

Sincerely, and I'm not saying this because I'm a Calzaghe fan, after thinking long and hard about this match up.. I think Calzaghe puts Taylor in a similar situation as Jeff Lacy (although not as brutal), basically making Taylor look as young as he actually is, it won't be a blow out by any means but Calzaghe will box circles around Taylor from start to finish, winning 8-10 rounds in the process.

If he takes the Winky/Taylor fight into consideration, as Winky put Taylor on the back foot while boxing him at the same time, Calzaghe can't go wrong.