Hopkins: "I Won't Let Calzaghe Make History"

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  • NexBesThang
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    #31
    Originally posted by SiN
    The only good fighter that could make Hopkins a legit legend is Roy Jones and he lost that fight. The rest of those guys are decent-to-good fighters, but not the type of guys you beat to call yourself a legend...
    Can I Get An AMEN!!!

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    • Jcsuper
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      #32
      Originally posted by SiN
      The only good fighter that could make Hopkins a legit legend is Roy Jones and he lost that fight. The rest of those guys are decent-to-good fighters, but not the type of guys you beat to call yourself a legend...
      You should look at that,



      I don't think you have seen the fight... Roy won the first round, but during the fight, Hopkins was always better. Roy Jones, in the late round, wasn't doing anything but swing his arm in the air. Hopkins won all the last rounds on all the judges card. That wasn't a (total) domination by Jones.

      After the fight, Hopkins said he found the way to beat Jones during the later rounds and he was figuring what Jones would do. He said he want a rematch, but Jones never accepted, probably because he knows he got lucky that this fight wasn't a 15 round, and he knew bHop would probably beat him.

      During Jones Prime, B-Hop is the only fighter I've seen that was on his boxing level.

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      • K-DOGG
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        #33
        Style-wise, this match-up may not be pleasing for everyone; but I would enjoy it. Calzaghe would give Hopkins trouble, just as B-Hop would give Joe problems.

        Either man could win. Tough call, really.

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        • Sttuddahboy619
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          #34
          Originally posted by Jcsuper
          You should look at that,



          I don't think you have seen the fight... Roy won the first round, but during the fight, Hopkins was always better. Roy Jones, in the late round, wasn't doing anything but swing his arm in the air. Hopkins won all the last rounds on all the judges card. That wasn't a (total) domination by Jones.

          After the fight, Hopkins said he found the way to beat Jones during the later rounds and he was figuring what Jones would do. He said he want a rematch, but Jones never accepted, probably because he knows he got lucky that this fight wasn't a 15 round, and he knew bHop would probably beat him.

          During Jones Prime, B-Hop is the only fighter I've seen that was on his boxing level.
          What were the official scores?

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            #35
            Originally posted by Jcsuper
            You should look at that,



            I don't think you have seen the fight... Roy won the first round, but during the fight, Hopkins was always better. Roy Jones, in the late round, wasn't doing anything but swing his arm in the air. Hopkins won all the last rounds on all the judges card. That wasn't a (total) domination by Jones.

            After the fight, Hopkins said he found the way to beat Jones during the later rounds and he was figuring what Jones would do. He said he want a rematch, but Jones never accepted, probably because he knows he got lucky that this fight wasn't a 15 round, and he knew bHop would probably beat him.

            During Jones Prime, B-Hop is the only fighter I've seen that was on his boxing level.
            I think BHop just give to much respect to Jones earlier in the fight, just like he did with Taylor.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Sttuddahboy619
              What were the official scores?
              Official score were 116-112 , all for Jones

              Jones won the 8 first round, but Bhop dominated him during the last 4

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                #37
                Originally posted by Jcsuper
                Official score were 116-112 , all for Jones

                Jones won the 8 first round, but Bhop dominated him during the last 4
                Thanks for the info!

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                • K-DOGG
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                  #38
                  Jones-Hopkins gets blown out of proportion by just about everybody. Both fighters were green at the time; and the bout was as dull as dishwater. Neither fighter dominated; but Roy did enough to win. That fight didn't make or break either man and is only impressive in retrospect, considering what each did afterwards. Roy was flashy, Bernard was not, so Roy's got the better rep; but in reality,they're both about on par with each other. Roy opted to collect belts and Bernard opted to make a record number of defenses. Bernard's competition wasn't superb because the middleweight division wasn't superb during his reign; but he beat 'em all. Roy, on the other hand, moved from middleweight up to heavyweight and had ample opportunity to fight quality fighters; but usually didn't.

                  Bernard unified the middleweight division and was an underdog, wrongfully so, to do so. Everybody was pushing "Tito" to be the legend, and Bernard ended up kicking his ass in primetime in a humiliating fashion. Hops also beat Holmes and Joppy and the best challengers the division could offer. I don't put too much stock in his win over De La Hoya because Oscar was such a small fighter comparitively. The Taylor fights speak more of Hopkins than they do Taylor, though, because Hopkins was an old man and held the young stud from dominating, whereas Jermain didn't establish himself at all. (I had Taylor winning the first and drawing in the second.)

                  Jones, after Hopkins, made one defense of his title; but it was against a quality foe, Thomas Tate, who had gone 12 full rounds with kayo artist Julian Jackson, the WBC Middleweight title-holder. Then Jones faced the #1 or #2 p4p fighter in the world, who was in his prime, James Toney, and took him to school.....damn fight looked like a sparring session; and I was/am a huge James Toney fan. At the time Toney was the man as far as I was concerned, and this showboat gave him a boxing lesson. Folks, that's impressive....weight problems or no. After Toney, Roy had a so-so career as a SMW, never fighting Nigel Benn or Chris Eubank, or Micael Nunn....all three of whom were top shelf. He beat Mike McCallum for the "interim" WBC Light Heavyweight title.....McCallum was an old man who had lost the WBC title to Fabrice Tiozzo nearly a year before. Virgil Hill had unified the WBA and IBF belts when he beat Henry Maske; and preceded to lose it via decision to the WBO titleholder, Dariusz Michalczewski.....making DM the rightful "real" Light-Heavyweight Champion of the World. Did Roy ever fight him? No; but he did knock out Virgil Hill in "Quicksilver's" very next fight. Does that meant anything? No. One fight too late. Then, at heavyweight, to make "history", Roy challenged the least respected titlist, John Ruiz, instead of the "real heavyweight champion of the world", Lennox Lewis.

                  So, you be the judge as to who is more deserving of praise.
                  Last edited by K-DOGG; 11-28-2006, 05:28 PM.

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                    #39
                    Nice post, K-Dogg. I'm with Jones Jr. on this one, but only just.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Jcsuper
                      Official score were 116-112 , all for Jones

                      Jones won the 8 first round, but Bhop dominated him during the last 4
                      That's a pretty comprehensive victory.

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