Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[ADP02]

You look like you copy and pasted every word of this. At least link your source. Anyone who knows basic science knows that Manny Pacquiao couldn't have been raising his shoulder and throwing punches if he actually tore his rotator cuff. BTW- Mayweather also came into this fight with injured hands, and 2 years of age.

Read the "media score cards", every normal person had Mayweather winning: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/F...Manny_Pacquiao

Its funny, since Pacquiao fans want to portray their hero as some "humble king" and mayweather as an "arrogant flexer" when it is the exact opposite.

Mayweather after beating Pacquiao: "He's [Pacquiao] a hell of a fighter. I take my hat off to Manny Pacquiao. Now I see why he's one of the guys at the pinnacle."

Pacquiao after getting dominated: "I thought I won the fight. He [Mayweather] didn't do nothing."

Here is how normal boxing fans scored the fight:https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/1957156

Sorry for not including the links. See below

https://gulfnews.com/sport/manny-pac...jury-1.1592339

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2015...ulous-recovery

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-sen...houlder--94099


I provided the proof including his doctors!!!

You are incorrect about what you said about rotator cuff injuries. Not every injury is the same. Kobe had the same injury but was able to still play basketball at a professional level ... and he didn't play just 1 game. He played numerous games.

There are 2 major factors to consider. Pain and weakness. Some may experience more pain but it may not be as damaging of an injury while some may have a more damaging injury but it being less painful. Same with weakness of the arm/shoulder. Like I said, not every injury is the same!

Kobe had the same doctor as Manny. Their doctor provided a statement that they had a severe enough injury that it warranted surgery. Manny had a full torn rotator cuff injury. That is what his doctor said in LA, USA. When he had his MRI done many months later in the Philippines they said it was NOT fully healed yet. So you have at least 2 doctors and MRIs to prove all of that!



I just want you to go back and verify round #3. If you want to go over this round together, I have no problem with that. I used to have several gifs to show my proofs. Once you start searching for Floyd's activity in that round you will see that there isn't much. Again, the NEVADA judges scored it to Floyd but I STRONLGY disagree!


Like I said, it is in part, perception. Close rounds went all to Floyd. Manny had to win a round much more convincingly.


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[ADP02]

Did you purposely leave out the fight which led to all this, Floyd d Manny by UD 9-3?

Floyd got these high paying exhibitions because he proved himself the best of the era with his win over the #2 p4p boxer in the world.

You should point that out.

I did say "His most recent official/exhibition fights?"


Floyd got it because of good marketing NOT because of what he did in his fights. He was marketed as the bad guy. People wanted to see him lose. Floyd carefully selected his opponents.

Imagine, Floyd had the opportunity to fight Manny at their prime in 2010 but didn't THEN we find out that he used an illegal IV!!!



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[thebrownbomber_]

Sorry for not including the links. See below

https://gulfnews.com/sport/manny-pac...jury-1.1592339

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2015...ulous-recovery

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-sen...houlder--94099


I provided the proof including his doctors!!!

You are incorrect about what you said about rotator cuff injuries. Not every injury is the same. Kobe had the same injury but was able to still play basketball at a professional level ... and he didn't play just 1 game. He played numerous games.

There are 2 major factors to consider. Pain and weakness. Some may experience more pain but it may not be as damaging of an injury while some may have a more damaging injury but it being less painful. Same with weakness of the arm/shoulder. Like I said, not every injury is the same!

Kobe had the same doctor as Manny. Their doctor provided a statement that they had a severe enough injury that it warranted surgery. Manny had a full torn rotator cuff injury. That is what his doctor said in LA, USA. When he had his MRI done many months later in the Philippines they said it was NOT fully healed yet. So you have at least 2 doctors and MRIs to prove all of that!



I just want you to go back and verify round #3. If you want to go over this round together, I have no problem with that. I used to have several gifs to show my proofs. Once you start searching for Floyd's activity in that round you will see that there isn't much. Again, the NEVADA judges scored it to Floyd but I STRONLGY disagree!


Like I said, it is in part, perception. Close rounds went all to Floyd. Manny had to win a round much more convincingly.


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Lol. I highly suggest you listen to Paul Malinaggis interview. Almost everyone agrees that Manny Pacquiao faked that shoulder injury. He did not mention right after, not before, but in the post fight press confrence. Do I deny he had shoulder pain? No, not at all. Me being a boxer, I can testify some times the shoulder hurts alot when throwing punches, but a torn rotator cuff? Mayweather also had injuries in training camp, and was known to have fragile hands. Mayweather won that fight, everyone knows it. Every nuetral boxing fan knows this. Mayweather landed twice as much punches as manny did and far more right hands.

As showtime said "Manny Pacquiao is a 8 division world champion, and he'll go down as one of the sports greatest, but on this night, he was just ordinary". BTW- Mayweather actually had Manny hurt several times, and respectful of his power.

[thebrownbomber_]

Read this. His lies get exposed one after another. I know Pacquiao fans cant accept defeat, and that I am arguing with people who believe Manny Pacquiao slipped into the Marquez Knockout.
https://www.ibtimes.com/boxing-manny...doctor-2973444

[The Big Dunn]

I did say "His most recent official/exhibition fights?"


Floyd got it because of good marketing NOT because of what he did in his fights. He was marketed as the bad guy. People wanted to see him lose. Floyd carefully selected his opponents.

Imagine, Floyd had the opportunity to fight Manny at their prime in 2010 but didn't THEN we find out that he used an illegal IV!!!



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So you did purposely leave it out. That is dishonest.

That you’re still butt hurt over manny losing to Floyd is hilarious.

[ADP02]

Lol. I highly suggest you listen to Paul Malinaggis interview. Almost everyone agrees that Manny Pacquiao faked that shoulder injury. He did not mention right after, not before, but in the post fight press confrence. Do I deny he had shoulder pain? No, not at all. Me being a boxer, I can testify some times the shoulder hurts alot when throwing punches, but a torn rotator cuff? Mayweather also had injuries in training camp, and was known to have fragile hands. Mayweather won that fight, everyone knows it. Every nuetral boxing fan knows this. Mayweather landed twice as much punches as manny did and far more right hands.

As showtime said "Manny Pacquiao is a 8 division world champion, and he'll go down as one of the sports greatest, but on this night, he was just ordinary". BTW- Mayweather actually had Manny hurt several times, and respectful of his power.

So I come with proof including a doctor that is well known in the sports world and other information to back it up and you come back with Paul Malignaggi that has bias against Manny? I remember seeing once over here a thread subject that said "Besides Paulie who hates Manny as much".

Hopefully the next time you do not come back with what Teddy Atlas has to say about Manny!



Like I said, you want to have a look at round #3? Then let me know what you think.

[ADP02]

Read this. His lies get exposed one after another. I know Pacquiao fans cant accept defeat, and that I am arguing with people who believe Manny Pacquiao slipped into the Marquez Knockout.
https://www.ibtimes.com/boxing-manny...doctor-2973444

So now you come back with people who "hang/know" Paulie who try to call Manny out? Dude, just come back with Teddy Atlas!

I just saw a video with these guys with Paulie talking about when they went to Toronto and Montreal while they were eating pizza in NY. The other guy was a Sports Chiropractor and dietitian, Dr. Pietro Baio. Not the same as Manny's renowned doctor.

You said that you cannot lift your arm up with that injury. I proved you wrong and gave you a great example: KOBE. They both had the same doctor!!!



THE CULINARY FIGHTER - EXTENDED: Doctor says Manny Pacquiao's shoulder injury was all fake, talks Mayweather
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBj9ILbvkcg

THE CULINARY FIGHTER - NYC: Paulie Malignaggi & Frank Pinello -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sye7wL044SY



Comments section:
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Boxing Now
Culinary Fighter I had a torn labrum and finished an entire college baseball season with it. It didn't change my mechanics and I looked "normal" while throwing but it was amazingly painful.. it's very possibly to fight with a torn labrum.. Look at Martellus Bennett right now! He is playing for the Patriots right now and he needs surgery. It's a pain tolerance thing and when you have to continue to throw a left hand, it must be excruciating



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Manny Pacquaio's surgeon who operated on his rotator cuff tear is one of the most well respected orthopedic surgeons in the US. Here is his credentials:



With expertise in sports medicine, Dr. ElAttrache serves as head team physician for the Los Angeles Rams. Over the course of his 34-year career, he has operated on numerous professional athletes, including quarterback Tom Brady of the New England Patriots, the Rams' 2019 Super Bowl contender.

Here are six things to know about the orthopedic surgeon:

1. Dr. ElAttrache is board chairman of the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Foundation and program director of the Kerlan-Jobe sports medicine fellowship.

2. In addition to the Rams, Dr. ElAttrache serves as head team physician for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He is also an orthopedic consultant for the Los Angeles Clippers, Los Angeles Kings and PGA Tour.

3. Dr. ElAttrache reconstructed Mr. Brady's left knee in 2008 after the quarterback suffered ligament tears in the opening game of the Patriots' season, according to the Los Angeles Times.

4. Following Mr. Brady's procedure, Dr. ElAttrache and the five-time Super Bowl winner remained friends and still stay in contact, according to the report.


5. President of the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine, Dr. ElAttrache is also a member of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons, American Shoulder and Elbow Surgeons and the NFL Physicians Society, among other professional organizations.


Compare to Dr. ElAttrache, the chiropractor above is basically a quack.

[ADP02]

So you did purposely leave it out. That is dishonest.

That you’re still butt hurt over manny losing to Floyd is hilarious.

Sorry but I clearly indicated Floyd's list of most recent fights after Manny. That is NOT being dishonest. I clearly told you too!


I just touched Big Ds nerve. Sorry about that!

Cringe worthy that you prefer that others not post that list. Got it.

[The Big Dunn]

Sorry but I clearly indicated Floyd's list of most recent fights after Manny. That is NOT being dishonest. I clearly told you too!


I just touched Big Ds nerve. Sorry about that!

Cringe worthy that you prefer that others not post that list. Got it.

You can post whatever you wish. Wake me when there is something new.

Floyd won. Manny lost. It’s over 5 years ago now. Let it go.

[ADP02]

You can post whatever you wish. Wake me when there is something new.

Floyd won. Manny lost. It’s over 5 years ago now. Let it go.

You mean the day after Floyd had an illegal IV?


Here is what the head of the WADA TUE Committee and physician had to say. Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. You do not get one as easily as USADA gave them out.

"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment."

"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY). Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."