Originally posted by travestyny
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Where do I start?
Oh yeah, YOU are too confused and don't know what to say.
The WADA experts DID state that there was a threshold criteria tests but YOU are all over the place trying to explain it!!! YOU ARE MISINTERPRETATING the CAS HAHAHAHA!!!
YOU said there isn't those type of tests but several WADA experts said there is. Who is right and who is wrong?
AGAIN, YOU ARE MISINTERPRETATING the CAS. Travestny did not comprehend that those statements made by the CAS was about threshold substances and YOU got confused!!!

KADABOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!
ABP - Stop DEFLECTING and admit that YOU WERE WRONG!!! You said this and were WRONG!!!!
IT NEVER SAYS THAT THEY USE THE ABP FOR EPO TESTING YOU MORON
travestyny
travestyny
Really? LOL Read below
"Biological Passport approach to EPO detection is to count the number of immature red cells in the blood. This rises in a characteristic way with EPO supplementation and the effect is detectable for several weeks. It is also possible to look at iron metabolism. HB contains iron and the body has well-developed transport and storage systems for iron so that enough is available to constantly produce the red cells we need. If EPO stimulates red cell production then the levels of the iron storage protein, ferritin, fall."

oh and in case you cannot remember, here is the case!!!! Ooooops!!!!
Here is a case that concludes with strong evidence the use of EPO by way of Biological Passort tests
"See, e.g., IAAF v SEGAS & Kokkinariou, CAS 2012/A/2773, award dated 30 November 2012
(http://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/sit...ments/2773.pdf), para 114 ('association of high haemoglobin with low reticulocytes is a strong evidence of artificial inhibition of reticulocyte formation caused by the suspension of an ESA (or, less likely, by reinfusion of multiple blood bags). It is an indicator of the so-called OFF phase, which is seen when an ESA has been suspended one to three weeks before, such as is
observed in doped athletes before important competitions. When the ESA is stopped, hemoglobin remains high for at least two to three weeks, depending on the dosage, while reticulocytes are reduced because the high hemoglobin inhibits endogenous EPO production')."
(http://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/sit...ments/2773.pdf), para 114 ('association of high haemoglobin with low reticulocytes is a strong evidence of artificial inhibition of reticulocyte formation caused by the suspension of an ESA (or, less likely, by reinfusion of multiple blood bags). It is an indicator of the so-called OFF phase, which is seen when an ESA has been suspended one to three weeks before, such as is
observed in doped athletes before important competitions. When the ESA is stopped, hemoglobin remains high for at least two to three weeks, depending on the dosage, while reticulocytes are reduced because the high hemoglobin inhibits endogenous EPO production')."
So Travestyny, did those WADA experts state that there are threshold tests? So were they right and YOU were WRONG!!!!
YES DEFLECTOR!!!!
So Travestyny, does ABP use threshold type test criteria for EPO detection? YES DEFLECTOR!!!!
Before you DEFLECT AGAIN, read the above statements for ABP and go back to my previous post where the experts call it a threshold test too!
So Travestyny, As stated in the quote above, why is ABP a type of threshold test for EPO detection YET NOT on that list of substances that you showed us on Threshold Substances? What gives? According to you, it had to be in that list even if its a threshold type test criteria??? FAIL Travestyny!!!

EPO is a special case that has it's own test criteria!!!
KADABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!
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