Froch Vs Groves II

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Maybe its just me, but I didn't think Froch seemed right on Ringside last night. He might have been full of a cold but he was sniffing a lot and his eyes had that wet sort of look. When he did that 'cookoo' mannerism, it seemed very out of character.

Its true that he doesn't seem to be getting angry in a competitive sense, or rising to taunts. But I do think that Groves might be provoking a very strange emotional response in Froch.

Obviously, Groves taunted Froch before the last fight that he looked like he was going to cry on Ringside......and I felt a strange similarity last night. I've never seen Froch act so humble and without much bravado.

I really don't know how this fight is going to go, but I've got a feeling Groves is on top psychologically at this point. Not that it necessarily matters; Froch almost certainly has the advantage in distance stamina and he may simply wear Groves down over the last few rounds. But I am concerned a little by Froch's behaviour.

I've always found Froch to be an odd character. Clearly he can't stay composed in Groves presence, no matter how hard he tries to impress to the contrary, that's very clear to see. And of course, that puts him at a major disadvantage. Add that to his technical deficiencies and it's difficult to envision how he lasts long enough this time round to drag Groves out into deep water.

He's always been crude and predictable but he has a tremendous fighting spirit that has compensated for that and has been the bedrock for his success. Even as a fan who prefers technical proficiency (boxing is a craft after all), I give him all the respect in the world for what he's achieved and brought to the sport. He's a bit like Malignaggi. Despite his glaring disadvantages he's found a way to succeed at world class level. This time round I don't think his toughness will be enough to see him last the distance, let alone get a victory.

From round one Groves timed the counter jab and right hand. So that's already down, Froch is at a disadvantage fighting on the outside. Because of the way Froch slips his right hand onto the inside of his chin when he throws the jab he's wide open to have his jab countered with a left hook. Groves has re-watched the fight enough to see that. That's going to be a problem for Froch. From the six round Groves was able to time his counter hooks on the inside. I'm surprised it took him that long, I think he gave Carl too much respect from a technical standpoint.

He's easy to counter on the inside. He plants his feet, stands square on, and bombards away without picking his shots, with his hands low, and his chin exposed. Left-right-left-right-left-right-left-right, with no variation. As soon as you feel his right hook touch your arm that's the cue for you to cover with your own right and fire off a tight left hook and vice versa to counter the left because you know what punch is coming next before he's even thrown it. Groves had success doing that later on in the fight and he'll apply that from round one. Froch will get clocked on the inside.

From the opening bell there is nowhere for him to go. All the loose threads in this game that he's gotten away with, will be picked apart, and he will unravel. I see him shipping so much punishment that even with his fighting spirit he'll be in no fit state to drag Groves out into deep water. I'll take my hat off to him if he lasts the distance, but his skill set doesn't make that likely.

[The_Demon]

As much as I hate to say it I expect the fight too be slower paced early on,froch being cautious planning to jump on groves in the later rounds and groves saving energy for those hard later rounds.it will be interesting either way

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From about 11:20 onwards for about 3 minutes, Froch and Groves talk about rematches etc. Groves comes out of it pretty bad..

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From about 11:20 onwards for about 3 minutes, Froch and Groves talk about rematches etc. Groves comes out of it pretty bad..

Why aren't Sky asking Groves why he thinks he was the stronger fighter when the fight was stopped? I'm a little ticked off with the sky narrative at the moment and it seems as if they have pro Groves fans in the audience. Froch looks ready to knock the kids head off. I can not wait for this fight!

[Sugarj]

Come on mate, you actually think Froch was close to crying on Ringside last time?

I thought Froch looked very calm and nothing out of character. I think he struggles to sit still tbh but I noticed nothing different to when he has appeared on Ringside just as a guest talking about other fights in the past.

Groves was desperately trying to get a reaction out of Froch and the handshake at the end when Froch was laughing was not something Groves will have enjoyed.

Groves needs to go back to the drawing board a bit I think. He needs to come up with some new material if he wants to upset Froch.

I think the mind games are pretty irrelevant though. I don't think Froch being angry last time had much impact on the fight, I think it was more his mindset that he could walk through Groves.

All I can say is he didn't seem right on Ringside before the first clash and honestly.....I'm really confused by how he is carrying himself. His demeanour to me looked more emotional than the direct, ****y, arrogant, competitive and assertive Froch of old. I don't think he is mentally in a good place at the moment.....perhaps I'm a little more tuned into these things, I don't think he was quite ready to burst into tears.....but I do think he was closer to the brink of emotion than anxiety, stress, anger or playful competitiveness.

It probably won't matter too much when the fight starts. Froch showed his usual heart and will to win last time and I'm sure he will again at the end of the month. I'll be rooting for Froch.

My observations are clearly in the minority, no one else has posted to say that they concur with my thoughts. But I'll be watching him very closely in future interviews where Groves is present, he doesn't seem 'right' to me.

[l1ght]

All I can say is he didn't seem right on Ringside before the first clash and honestly.....I'm really confused by how he is carrying himself. His demeanour to me looked more emotional than the direct, ****y, arrogant, competitive and assertive Froch of old. I don't think he is mentally in a good place at the moment.....perhaps I'm a little more tuned into these things, I don't think he was quite ready to burst into tears.....but I do think he was closer to the brink of emotion than anxiety, stress, anger or playful competitiveness.

It probably won't matter too much when the fight starts. Froch showed his usual heart and will to win last time and I'm sure he will again at the end of the month. I'll be rooting for Froch.

My observations are clearly in the minority, no one else has posted to say that they concur with my thoughts. But I'll be watching him very closely in future interviews where Groves is present, he doesn't seem 'right' to me.

I think the sports psychologist has done Carl the world of good. He proved at ringside that he knows how to make fun of Groves when Groves goes on the offensive. It was actually humiliating for Groves and the people who say it wasn't are delusional. This facebook get together was a different matter entirely, instead of being aggressive Groves was defensive(because he knew he had to change tactics) while Carl who is now full of confidence clearly wanted a confrontation with Groves and looks ready to knock his head off. Groves games don't work anymore, he's also a massive hypocrite for not giving rematches to those guys in the past while Froch gave him his. All Groves does is try to act like a victim and frankly even I want to punch his face in now. Carl won the first fight after an awful performance...what's it gonna be like if he actually puts in a decent performance on the night? Carl wins the rematch...What George gonna do? Punch Carl in the head a million times again? That didn't really get the job done last time did it? Once Carl puts significant shots together Groves is falling apart.

[Humean]

I've always found Froch to be an odd character. Clearly he can't stay composed in Groves presence, no matter how hard he tries to impress to the contrary, that's very clear to see. And of course, that puts him at a major disadvantage. Add that to his technical deficiencies and it's difficult to envision how he lasts long enough this time round to drag Groves out into deep water.

He's always been crude and predictable but he has a tremendous fighting spirit that has compensated for that and has been the bedrock for his success. Even as a fan who prefers technical proficiency (boxing is a craft after all), I give him all the respect in the world for what he's achieved and brought to the sport. He's a bit like Malignaggi. Despite his glaring disadvantages he's found a way to succeed at world class level. This time round I don't think his toughness will be enough to see him last the distance, let alone get a victory.

From round one Groves timed the counter jab and right hand. So that's already down, Froch is at a disadvantage fighting on the outside. Because of the way Froch slips his right hand onto the inside of his chin when he throws the jab he's wide open to have his jab countered with a left hook. Groves has re-watched the fight enough to see that. That's going to be a problem for Froch. From the six round Groves was able to time his counter hooks on the inside. I'm surprised it took him that long, I think he gave Carl too much respect from a technical standpoint.

He's easy to counter on the inside. He plants his feet, stands square on, and bombards away without picking his shots, with his hands low, and his chin exposed. Left-right-left-right-left-right-left-right, with no variation. As soon as you feel his right hook touch your arm that's the cue for you to cover with your own right and fire off a tight left hook and vice versa to counter the left because you know what punch is coming next before he's even thrown it. Groves had success doing that later on in the fight and he'll apply that from round one. Froch will get clocked on the inside.

From the opening bell there is nowhere for him to go. All the loose threads in this game that he's gotten away with, will be picked apart, and he will unravel. I see him shipping so much punishment that even with his fighting spirit he'll be in no fit state to drag Groves out into deep water. I'll take my hat off to him if he lasts the distance, but his skill set doesn't make that likely.

I largely agree with this but time and time again Froch finds a way to win. I thought Kessler was going to knock him out with a left hook, he finally landed a good one late in the fight but it didn't drop him. It is almost comical the amount of really good flush punches that have just bounced off Froch's head.

All I can say is he didn't seem right on Ringside before the first clash and honestly.....I'm really confused by how he is carrying himself. His demeanour to me looked more emotional than the direct, ****y, arrogant, competitive and assertive Froch of old. I don't think he is mentally in a good place at the moment.....perhaps I'm a little more tuned into these things, I don't think he was quite ready to burst into tears.....but I do think he was closer to the brink of emotion than anxiety, stress, anger or playful competitiveness.

It probably won't matter too much when the fight starts. Froch showed his usual heart and will to win last time and I'm sure he will again at the end of the month. I'll be rooting for Froch.

My observations are clearly in the minority, no one else has posted to say that they concur with my thoughts. But I'll be watching him very closely in future interviews where Groves is present, he doesn't seem 'right' to me.

I also largely agree with this, Groves has wound Froch up about as much as I have wound up half the history section of this forum. However like you said I doubt it will have too much of a bearing on the fight. Surely Froch won't be as reckless as early as he was in the first fight.

[Weebler I]

Groves came over really poorly on Ringside, delusional almost.

[Box-Office]

Groves came over really poorly on Ringside, delusional almost.

I never liked Groves. I kind of want him to win because the rematch with Degale given he beats Gonzalez would be quite amazing. Especially due to the "genuine" and not some manufactured rivalry they have going back to amateurs.