Froch Vs Groves II

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I think you're deliberately taking it literally? To be clear every punch hurts, even Paulie Malignaggi's but what I'm saying is he wasn't "hurt", "rocked" or "in danger". By the end of the round Groves was, from a shot which landed "**** on the chen". Froch's punch resistance is by far superior.

Not to the extent that I suspect you're suggesting. He was definitely "hurt", his reaction when he got back to his corner alone confirms that. He was "rocked". When they started to trade punches at the 1:30 mark Froch wobbled backwards, broke off the exchange and went on the retreat. Was he "in danger" at that point? The degree is debatable. He clearly felt that he was in an amount of danger that made it necessary to change his course of action and recoil his attack. Was he "in danger" to the degree of being stopped? I wouldn't suggest so.

But nor was Groves when he got hit with that left hook in my opinion. It registered enough that he had to momentarily steady himself. Then he engaged in the post took-a-shot act of defiant bravado, which means the punch effected him, but not enough to stop him dropping his hands and inviting Froch to exchange so he could look to land counters. He was too arm weary for that to be effective, (you can see when he drops his hands that he's breathing heavy with his mouth open) so he covered up and then evaded punches with movement. He slipped the right hand in a crisp, sharp and fast manner. Fighters don't tend to move their heads like that that when they're hurt.

His end of round slump was more to do with tiredness than any shots that Froch landed. To give credit to Carl, he finished the round stronger because, like his punch resistance, he has superior stamina. My overall point though is that in the upcoming fight he'll take more shots than he did in the first because Groves knows where and when to time his counters against him. Adding in the punishment that he's already taken in the first bout, I'll be surprised if he lasts the distance in this one.

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Not to the extent that I suspect you're suggesting. He was definitely "hurt", his reaction when he got back to his corner alone confirms that. He was "rocked". When they started to trade punches at the 1:30 mark Froch wobbled backwards, broke off the exchange and went on the retreat. Was he "in danger" at that point? The degree is debatable. He clearly felt that he was in an amount of danger that made it necessary to change his course of action and recoil his attack. Was he "in danger" to the degree of being stopped? I wouldn't suggest so.

But nor was Groves when he got hit with that left hook in my opinion. It registered enough that he had to momentarily steady himself. Then he engaged in the post took-a-shot act of defiant bravado, which means the punch effected him, but not enough to stop him dropping his hands and inviting Froch to exchange so he could look to land counters. He was too arm weary for that to be effective, (you can see when he drops his hands that he's breathing heavy with his mouth open) so he covered up and then evaded punches with movement. He slipped the right hand in a crisp, sharp and fast manner. Fighters don't tend to move their heads like that that when they're hurt.

His end of round slump was more to do with tiredness than any shots that Froch landed. To give credit to Carl, he finished the round stronger because, like his punch resistance, he has superior stamina. My overall point though is that in the upcoming fight he'll take more shots than he did in the first because Groves knows where and when to time his counters against him. Adding in the punishment that he's already taken in the first bout, I'll be surprised if he lasts the distance in this one.

That was the give-away for me, it felt like he was preparing to go out on his shield but it was close to the end of the round.

Groves should do well in the rematch early on, but I personally think punch resistance will be the difference.

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That was the give-away for me, it felt like he was preparing to go out on his shield but it was close to the end of the round.

Groves should do well in the rematch early on, but I personally think punch resistance will be the difference.

I agree, if Froch was to win that would be the deciding factor. I'm too critical of his boxing technique for him to ever be one of my favourites. That said, I respect and admire what he does bring to the ring. In terms of him being a fighter, he's one of the best these shores have ever produced.

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I also agree Froch style is terrible... When I say this someone like Calzaghe would have made lite work of Froch because his style is quite basic... But hey Im not taking nothing away from him he has given a lot to the sport

[gary j. stout]

froch simple and final... with better skills and stamina then groves.

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This should be stickied on NSB. And I think Groves will be too much for Froch again, he can't handle his timing and speed, but then again Groves is considerably chinnier than Froch.

I'm gonna place money on Groves, I'm surprised the odds makers don't have the odds more even.

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This should be stickied on NSB.

This. There's 80,000 people going to this fight, it needs to be in NSB.

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This. There's 80,000 people going to this fight, it needs to be in NSB.

I think it is better to have it here for now. Plenty of quality posts in this thread. If it was in NSB chances are that those posts would drown in standard NSB crap.

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I think it is better to have it here for now. Plenty of quality posts in this thread. If it was in NSB chances are that those posts would drown in standard NSB crap.

That is a good point the thread is ok here, The post are good... with valid points sensible ones also .

I thought as we get closer to the fight we would start edging towards one or the other, But apart from picking who you would want to win, This is a true 50/50 fight IMO

This is wisdom and courage against youth and determination, This is both ends of the spectrum, Grrrrrr it could be the changing of the guard!! it really doesn't get better than this, The uncertainty is driving me up the wall. theres questions that need answering 4FS. The drive to win this fight for both fighters is just crazy.. The undercard looks to be good also.

Ricky Burns
Mitchell
Degale
Joshua

Thank you very much Mr Hearn showcase some British talent!! What a clever boy X